A Consolation Prize

[Brisan123]

What is your problem ?

A liverpool fan from india pretending to be an united fan posting on an everton fans forum ,is my problem

 

[GOT11]

A liverpool fan from india pretending to be an united fan posting on an everton fans forum ,is my problem

If that’s the truth then I have a miserable life and that’s my problem. Why is that your problem? Are you that easily piffed?

 

[emir]

Sorry to say this but Champions League is the biggest tournament in world football, it's like winning the world cup for your club. It's no consolation prize.

 

[Kurt.]

What is your problem ?

Id hazard a guess at you.

 

[bignev23]

It's some consolition like... The biggest/best trophy you can win.

 

[Deckard2049]

This year’s final is bringing this point into sharp focus.

Hitherto, the CL winners have been either reigning champions in their own domestic league or have recently won it.

If it was Real Madrid playing Manchester United this year that glaring anomaly would not be so remarkable.

The fact that this year it will be won by a team which last won its own league almost thirty or sixty years ago respectively is highlighting the flaw which has always been at the heart of the CL.

You have to make your mind up though don't you? Admittedly both of these clubs have obviously won more league titles than either Spurs or Liverpool in recent years, but if they made it to the final this year it would still be a case of teams who weren't actually their league's domestic champions playing in a cup final known as the "champions league". If you start saying, "Well United won the league five years ago ergo I guess it's ok they compete, but Arsenal who won it 15 years ago, sorry that's a bit too much", then things just become convoluted. Either the format should be champions only or quite simply we just accept it as it is. The rules are there from the start of the tournament as well, everyone knows how it works. Spurs have beaten this years champions of England and champions of the Netherlands to reach the final, Liverpool the champions of Germany and Spain. I don't think anyone can begrudge either of them being in a final- of course whether they should be in the tournament to begin with is the question I'm guessing you're mostly posing.

I always think as well, do people want the third or fourth best Italian/English/Spanish side or do they want the champions of Luxembourg? The champions of Ireland and Sweden (no disrespect intended)? Admittedly I was born in 1992, so the champions league format is all I've ever known and I cannot speak to the quality of the tournament from its inception through to the change in format. But a quick wiki of the competition shows me that there seems to have been an awful lot of dead rubber games. Real Madrid's early wins aren't half made up of some terrible fixtures. It's like any world cup pre 1958- do they really count?

Plus financially, the champions of many nations in Europe simply do not have the money to compete in a competition which would put them up against the likes of Man City or Barcelona. It'd be pointless.

 

[Khalekan]

You have to make your mind up though don't you? Admittedly both of these clubs have obviously won more league titles than either Spurs or Liverpool in recent years, but if they made it to the final this year it would still be a case of teams who weren't actually their league's domestic champions playing in a cup final known as the "champions league". If you start saying, "Well United won the league five years ago ergo I guess it's ok they compete, but Arsenal who won it 15 years ago, sorry that's a bit too much", then things just become convoluted. Either the format should be champions only or quite simply we just accept it as it is. The rules are there from the start of the tournament as well, everyone knows how it works. Spurs have beaten this years champions of England and champions of the Netherlands to reach the final, Liverpool the champions of Germany and Spain. I don't think anyone can begrudge either of them being in a final- of course whether they should be in the tournament to begin with is the question I'm guessing you're mostly posing.

I always think as well, do people want the third or fourth best Italian/English/Spanish side or do they want the champions of Luxembourg? The champions of Ireland and Sweden (no disrespect intended)? Admittedly I was born in 1992, so the champions league format is all I've ever known and I cannot speak to the quality of the tournament from its inception through to the change in format. But a quick wiki of the competition shows me that there seems to have been an awful lot of dead rubber games. Real Madrid's early wins aren't half made up of some terrible fixtures. It's like any world cup pre 1958- do they really count?

Plus financially, the champions of many nations in Europe simply do not have the money to compete in a competition which would put them up against the likes of Man City or Barcelona. It'd be pointless.

You are overthinking a very simple point that @chrismpw and myself are making.

 

[Prevenger17]

Ah lads, come on. I'm all for demeaning Liverpool and their scarce achievements, but the Champions League is one of the biggest in the game. I think it jostles in importance with the domestic leagues depending on where the clubs in question are at that time. For instance, I reckon Liverpool would trade the CL for the PL and City the PL for the CL this year, Madrid would probably have traded one or two of their wins the last few years for a few more La Ligas in the last decade. It really does depend, but it's certainly the most elite cup competition and an amazing achievement

 

[Khalekan]

Sorry to say this but Champions League is the biggest tournament in world football, it's like winning the world cup for your club. It's no consolation prize.

Not for normal teams it isn’t.

But it will be mere consolation for the RS who will always remember this as the season their 97 points counted for nowt because the prize they really crave was cheated from them.

 

[HongKongToffee]

CL is the biggest prize in club football on the planet, Bar none.

The big clubs prioitise it over the league, it's glamorous, it drives new supporters to your club, the monetary terms from winning it and also the commercial partnerships boosting your turnover and it elevates your club's standing in football.

In the CL format Real madrid have won it 7 times and binned the league everytime to concentrate on winning the CL, Juve and the two plastic clubs want it so bad, Abramovich wanted that trophy more than anything.

Which ever club wins it on June 1st, will see their club standing elevate and their financial power increase further.

 

[Deckard2049]

You are overthinking a very simple point that @chrismpw and myself are making.

Not really. According to you if United and Madrid where in the final it would be acceptable or "less of an anomaly". Even though neither of them are technically champions upon entry of the tournament this season. It reads like because teams (or a certain team) are in the final, then the whole tournament is a bit of a farce. Which is it? Champions only or not? Or just teams you don't like? It's also been the format for decades now. Can't wait for you to continue with this viewpoint when we eventually make top 4- or should we refuse entry on grounds that we don't deserve to play in the tournament?

You both seem to be fixating on the name "champions league". It's just a name. It's a massive competition, probably the biggest club tournament in world football. There isn't really anyway to circumvent that.

 

[Khalekan]

CL is the biggest prize in club football on the planet, Bar none.

The big clubs prioitise it over the league, it's glamorous, it drives new supporters to your club, the monetary terms from winning it and also the commercial partnerships boosting your turnover and it elevates your club's standing in football.

In the CL format Real madrid have won it 7 times and binned the league everytime to concentrate on winning the CL, Juve and the two plastic clubs want it so bad, Abramovich wanted that trophy more than anything.

Which ever club wins it on June 1st, will see their club standing elevate and their financial power increase further.

You have sawn off the branch you were sitting on.

Because no one can accuse the RS of “binning off” their own league in pursuit of CL glory this season, that’s for sure.

 

[chrismpw]

CL is the biggest prize in club football on the planet, Bar none.

The big clubs prioitise it over the league, it's glamorous, it drives new supporters to your club, the monetary terms from winning it and also the commercial partnerships boosting your turnover and it elevates your club's standing in football.

In the CL format Real madrid have won it 7 times and binned the league everytime to concentrate on winning the CL, Juve and the two plastic clubs want it so bad, Abramovich wanted that trophy more than anything.

Which ever club wins it on June 1st, will see their club standing elevate and their financial power increase further.

That's only because you believe the hype.

Surely the world club champions is a bigger achievement. To enter you have to beat every other team in your country * and then every best team in your continent.

*that is, until the CL fundamentally devalued itself when it started accepting also-rans for the sake of cash collection.

 

[Brisan123]

CL is the biggest prize in club football on the planet, Bar none.

The big clubs prioitise it over the league, it's glamorous, it drives new supporters to your club, the monetary terms from winning it and also the commercial partnerships boosting your turnover and it elevates your club's standing in football.

In the CL format Real madrid have won it 7 times and binned the league everytime to concentrate on winning the CL, Juve and the two plastic clubs want it so bad, Abramovich wanted that trophy more than anything.

Which ever club wins it on June 1st, will see their club standing elevate and their financial power increase further.

Well we all know who you want to win it

 

[HongKongToffee]

That's only because you believe the hype.

Surely the world club champions is a bigger achievement. To enter you have to beat every other team in your country * and then every best team in your continent.

*that is, until the CL fundamentally devalued itself when it started accepting also-rans for the sake of cash collection.

Maybe it's because we're already in the PL and qualify for that every season that we Blues highlight the PL as the be all and end all and limit the CL as a minor competition because we have never qualified for it.

When we get in the CL whenever that is then maybe we'll start to appreciate the true value and status of the CL as the premier club competition on the planet.