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[fozzy]

I remember as far back as Catterick.

Moyes is not that good mate, its not knee jerk, its long over due.

approaching 9 years now.

yeah but moyes got us into the champions league! oh yeah thats right we didnt qualify did we!!

ok he did get us to a cup final as well!! oh yeah we lost that to!

ok we have got into the europa league a few times! oh yeah didnt do anything in it though! even fulham manged to get further than us with much less experience in europe than us!!

yep ive defo got a short memory me!

 

[DionDublin]

David Moyes is an excellent manager, has his performence this season been as good as in other seasons .

wrong
and wrong


as many lies as kenwright tells himself when he goes to bed at night.

 

[RFUS]

Actually, I wouldn't say Moyes has ever been an excellent manager.

HEAR ME OUT.

Managers need to be good in 3 key areas, I'd say:

• The Transfer Market
• Instilling team spirit and confidence
• On the pitch, tactically; formations, subs and so on.

Moyes is, in terms of bang for your buck, the finest manager in the transfer market I've ever seen. I can't argue with that.

Confidence and spirit wise, he used to be class. We were always Everton -- the tight knit team. The siege mentality, and so on. This season, a few little player partnerships aside, we look badly disjointed. Some players want out, others look depressed. Moyes is not doing his job in this area, if we're talking in the present.

And lastly, he's only ever been average tactically on a good day, poor on a bad. 4-5-1 used to be great, and this season it's working in that we're dominating games. But ultimately we're not scoring, or creating enough clear cut chances. His subs too, have really failed to make an impact, or when they have threatened to, their chance has been cut short because they were brought on late. In addition, his starting lineups have often beggared belief. In this last, and probably most important area, Moyes is failing us and himself. The worst part though, is that he keeps sticking to his guns. Change is seemingly an alien concept.


So all in all, past tense, Moyes has been a good manager for us. Present tense, he's been woeful. The biggest frustration though, is that he has and can nail the first two points I've made. If he could only be a bit more experimental; a bit braver, and stop relying on his favourites so much, then maybe he could get it right on the pitch too.


And to anyone who think he's a genius on the pitch, this season alone we've been outsmarted to the tune of 0 points, by Villa's assistant manager, 2 championship newcomers and Sam fecking Allardyce.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I remember as far back as Catterick.

Moyes is not that good mate, its not knee jerk, its long over due.

approaching 9 years now.

How would Catterick do in the modern day era? Like it or not, we're not one of the big boys anymore. We're no longer the Merseyside Millionaires, but probably more like the beggars outside a supermarket. Moyes worked wonders with the budget he had, no mistake. Not saying he's untouchable (although it will take a lot more than one bad season to convince me to part with him), but think he deserves a lot more credit than given to him by quite a few on here. Name one manager, who would possible have done better with the budget he has been on. Jol, Redknapp, Mourinho? Honestly think we'd be in the lower divisions right now, if they had to work within the restrictions Moyes had to face at Everton.

He build this club from a relegation scrapping side into a hard working, honest and pretty damned good side. Granted it doesnt look like that atm, but if one bad season makes him a [Poor language removed] manager, than certainly, the past 7 seasons made him a modern day legend? Face it, without major investment, we won't be challenging for silverware. But then again, I'm not sure I'd want to give the Everton I know and love up for that.

 

[fozzy]

Actually, I wouldn't say Moyes has ever been an excellent manager.

HEAR ME OUT.

Managers need to be good in 3 key areas, I'd say:

• The Transfer Market
• Instilling team spirit and confidence
• On the pitch, tactically; formations, subs and so on.

Moyes is, in terms of bang for your buck, the finest manager in the transfer market I've ever seen. I can't argue with that.

Confidence and spirit wise, he used to be class. We were always Everton -- the tight knit team. The siege mentality, and so on. This season, a few little player partnerships aside, we look badly disjointed. Some players want out, others look depressed. Moyes is not doing his job in this area, if we're talking in the present.

And lastly, he's only ever been average tactically on a good day, poor on a bad. 4-5-1 used to be great, and this season it's working in that we're dominating games. But ultimately we're not scoring, or creating enough clear cut chances. His subs too, have really failed to make an impact, or when they have threatened to, their chance has been cut short because they were brought on late. In addition, his starting lineups have often beggared belief. In this last, and probably most important area, Moyes is failing us and himself. The worst part though, is that he keeps sticking to his guns. Change is seemingly an alien concept.


So all in all, past tense, Moyes has been a good manager for us. Present tense, he's been woeful. The biggest frustration though, is that he has and can nail the first two points I've made. If he could only be a bit more experimental; a bit braver, and stop relying on his favourites so much, then maybe he could get it right on the pitch too.


And to anyone who think he's a genius on the pitch, this season alone we've been outsmarted to the tune of 0 points, by Villa's assistant manager, 2 championship newcomers and Sam fecking Allardyce.

as i wrote in another thread!

his budget buys yes he is very good! but tell me one big money signing that has been player of the season or even has been consistantly good for a whole season? ok apart from the yaks one good season i cant think of any more!

 

[chrissyjack]

If certain fans had their way , and Moyes left, who would replace him ?...Ian Dowie ?

 

[fozzy]

If certain fans had their way , and Moyes left, who would replace him ?...Ian Dowie ?

ive answerd this in another thread!

for me i'd have a punt at gus poyet! for my reasons you will have to find that other thread!

 

[RFUS]

as i wrote in another thread!

his budget buys yes he is very good! but tell me one big money signing that has been player of the season or even has been consistantly good for a whole season? ok apart from the yaks one good season i cant think of any more!

ive answerd this in another thread!

for me i'd have a punt at gus poyet! for my reasons you will have to find that other thread!

This other thread sounds like a riot!


Whilst I agree with you on almost everything, his big money buys have been good I think. The Yak was ace, but no one could predict that injury. Bily's a flop, sure, but Felli was a bargain -- and that says a lot for your all time record signing. 2 out of 3 for me, and that's not bad. We even made a profit on AJ, so I can't complain.

 

[fozzy]

This other thread sounds like a riot!


Whilst I agree with you on almost everything, his big money buys have been good I think. The Yak was ace, but no one could predict that injury. Bily's a flop, sure, but Felli was a bargain -- and that says a lot for your all time record signing. 2 out of 3 for me, and that's not bad. We even made a profit on AJ, so I can't complain.

beatie? and i'd rather aj was the player we wanted rather than making a profit!

jury still out on felli as he is defo a great player but moyes has to play him in the right postion and sort out his little problems before i'll agree on that! and so far it doesnt look like moyes is going to!

 

[RFUS]

beatie? and i'd rather aj was the player we wanted rather than making a profit!

jury still out on felli as he is defo a great player but moyes has to play him in the right postion and sort out his little problems before i'll agree on that! and so far it doesnt look like moyes is going to!

Wasn't Beattie £6 mil? If that's big money then we better factor in Baines, Heitinga, Lescott and so on.

I don't see how you can say the jury's out on Felli, either. We're a totally different team with him in it, and that red card moment of idiocy aside, he's been a channel of pure, unrestrained aceness for the entire calendar year.

 

[fozzy]

Wasn't Beattie £6 mil? If that's big money then we better factor in Baines, Heitinga, Lescott and so on.

I don't see how you can say the jury's out on Felli, either. We're a totally different team with him in it, and that red card moment of idiocy aside, he's been a channel of pure, unrestrained aceness for the entire calendar year.

im sure beatie was our record signing at that time mate! so at the time it was alot of money!

as i said i like felli but he aint player of the year yet is he!

 

[Deleted member 28206]

He doesn't deserve some of the stick he's getting from people with short memories.

No, I agree - but ability to criticise is what he needs to learn to accept, maybe not moyes himself, but his loyal fans. I'm a massive fan I his, think he has single handedly dragged the club out of a very very long dark era, and now at a cross roads perhaps. The CLUB needs direction, not just The Players.

 

[RFUS]

im sure beatie was our record signing at that time mate! so at the time it was alot of money!

as i said i like felli but he aint player of the year yet is he!

Player of the year? He cost £15 million, not £50 million!



He's just ace mate. Accept it, or forever hold your peace.

 

[fozzy]

Player of the year? He cost £15 million, not £50 million!



He's just ace mate. Accept it, or forever hold your peace.

cahill arteta have both been players of the year! and did cost half half that between them!

but yes mate peace out! just gutted after thinking this is our season and its fell apart already!

 

[RFUS]

cahill arteta have both been players of the year! and did cost half half that between them!

but yes mate peace out! just gutted after thinking this is our season and its fell apart already!

Aye mate, but it's not Felli's fault.

Moyes should be taking the flak. And on the pitch, Heitinga and Saha have been shocking. As has Arteta, sadly.