New Everton Stadium Discussion

[bol-uk]

I’d rather have a nice stadium than a hideous ‘different’ looking eyesore like that Chelsea beehive.

Boooooring

 

[Gardocki]

Those leaked images from this week, the main Stand is a lot smaller than the one Dan Meis showed at St Luke’s. Now wonder club were furious, cat out the bag?

The two sides and the home end have always been the same size as each other (back rows are all aligned). They may have reduced the scale on all sides, as its now 52,000 rather than 55,000+.

It does look like there was three distinct tiers in last year's concept plans, where there are just two now. It was the first thing I noticed and probably means less corporate boxes or lounges overlooking the pitch.

The other difference is that the lower tier behind the north end is now the same size as the lower tier on either 'side'. Previously that level dropped behind the goal, although the new aerial image still shows the size/design of the lower tier change behind the goal.

 

[Barrowjohn]

Would like to have seen a return to traditional floodlight pylons above the roof line. That would give the stadium a modern / retro look?

 

[Big_Duncs_Fod]

Looks boss and I hope it's officially announced soon.

We've been here before though but let's hope this is finally it.

 

[maccavennie]

Would like to have seen a return to traditional floodlight pylons above the roof line. That would give the stadium a modern / retro look?

Just get yourself a Subbuteo pitch mate, they still do the old pylons

 

[Saint Domingo]

Looks like there’s been a scaling back of ambition (as is classic Everton). Hopefully the advantages of the location outweigh any downsizing Everton so between now and then. ‘The most iconic club stadium in English football’ ‘a home stand to rival the yellow wall, bigger than the kop’ ‘iconic addition to the waterfront’. At the moment it looks like a pretty generic stadium with a car park being between in and the river.

 

[orly]

Looks like there’s been a scaling back of ambition (as is classic Everton). Hopefully the advantages of the location outweigh any downsizing Everton so between now and then. ‘The most iconic club stadium in English football’ ‘a home stand to rival the yellow wall, bigger than the kop’ ‘iconic addition to the waterfront’. At the moment it looks like a pretty generic stadium with a car park being between in and the river.

Basically the Kirkby design, but smaller.

 

[HongKongToffee]

Looks like there’s been a scaling back of ambition (as is classic Everton). Hopefully the advantages of the location outweigh any downsizing Everton so between now and then. ‘The most iconic club stadium in English football’ ‘a home stand to rival the yellow wall, bigger than the kop’ ‘iconic addition to the waterfront’. At the moment it looks like a pretty generic stadium with a car park being between in and the river.

I agree, nothing iconic about it so far, it looks like all the ten a penny corporate bowls that have been built in Europe the last 15 years, all the stands joined together in a bowl. multi tier plan.

Case in point was the France 2016 euros and Russian world cup, every stadium practically looked the same watching the games except for that stadium with the scaffold stand behind one of the goals in Russia, how different from the that stadiums is Meis's build, even the German world cup in 2006 was the same, Bayern, Schalke, Hamburg, Leipzig, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Cologne all had stadiums built for that world cup and all have the same boring generic bowl design.

Designers really need to get away from this bland model for stadia, to me it reeks of american architects from America who built all those stadiums in the NFL and MLB the last 20 years and it's influencing how football stadiums should be built in Europe , the bland lower tier, then corporate then another tier corporate then a upper tier.

Emirates is awful and cannot keep the atmosphere in,Etihad is even more bland, bayern's is a dire bowl and depressingly grey , the Spurs one looks like a NFL stadium (i'm sure the NFL had a hand in how the stadium should look and it reminds me of the stadium in Arizona Cardinal NFL ground with the side stands design) even their single tiered stand behind the goal doesn't look iconic or special as they ruined it by blending it in with the other stands.

For me the iconic stadiums that i love the designs are the old Highbury, Sampdoria/Genoa joint stadium from Italia 90 , Ibrox is a majestic classic British stadium with 4 different unique stands and Dortmund's is the best stadium in Europe by far., not sure why designers don't build 50k-60k versions of those stadiums i listed.

 

[DaChunk]

When they putting a shovel in the ground?

 

[MickA]

The two sides and the home end have always been the same size as each other (back rows are all aligned). They may have reduced the scale on all sides, as its now 52,000 rather than 55,000+.

It does look like there was three distinct tiers in last year's concept plans, where there are just two now. It was the first thing I noticed and probably means less corporate boxes or lounges overlooking the pitch.

The other difference is that the lower tier behind the north end is now the same size as the lower tier on either 'side'. Previously that level dropped behind the goal, although the new aerial image still shows the size/design of the lower tier change behind the goal.

Saw someone on Twitter suggest it's down to the tread depths being reduced. No idea if that theory flies or not.

Would like to have seen a return to traditional floodlight pylons above the roof line. That would give the stadium a modern / retro look?

Not a chance. Modern floodlighting is mandatory for TV super slo-mo etc hence all the lights being the goals.

 

[Davideeyore]

I agree, nothing iconic about it so far, it looks like all the ten a penny corporate bowls that have been built in Europe the last 15 years, all the stands joined together in a bowl. multi tier plan.

Case in point was the France 2016 euros and Russian world cup, every stadium practically looked the same watching the games except for that stadium with the scaffold stand behind one of the goals in Russia, how different from the that stadiums is Meis's build, even the German world cup in 2006 was the same, Bayern, Schalke, Hamburg, Leipzig, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Cologne all had stadiums built for that world cup and all have the same boring generic bowl design.

Designers really need to get away from this bland model for stadia, to me it reeks of american architects from America who built all those stadiums in the NFL and MLB the last 20 years and it's influencing how football stadiums should be built in Europe , the bland lower tier, then corporate then another tier corporate then a upper tier.

Emirates is awful and cannot keep the atmosphere in,Etihad is even more bland, bayern's is a dire bowl and depressingly grey , the Spurs one looks like a NFL stadium (i'm sure the NFL had a hand in how the stadium should look and it sticks out like a sore thumb) even their single tiered stand behind the goal doesn't look iconic or special as they ruined it by blending it in with the other stands , but even that doesn't look an iconic stand as it blends in with the other stands on the sides.

For me the iconic stadiums that i love the designs are the old Highbury, Sampdoria/Genoa joint stadium from Italia 90 , Ibrox is a majestic classic British stadium with 4 different unique stands and Dortmund's is the best stadium in Europe by far., not sure why designers don't build 50k-60k versions of those stadiums i listed.

Good points. I was always advocating the Lucas Oil Stadium. Yes it has a brutal exterior but it ticked a few boxes that I thought our new "iconic" "world class" stadium would have. Capacity in the 60's, variable by having certain banks blocked off by huge advertising. Brick exterior. 4 sided not bowl. Retractable roof. Even built below ground level (we have a dock to fill!). Very different from the generic B Monchengladbach and B Dortmund stadiums. They do look fine stadiums but nothing unique.

Even Meis's own stadiums (in the US) are at least very different from these generic European stadiums. Miller Park has a retractable roof.

I know Meis has shot down a few of the features of the Lucas Oil Stadium including the roof. I think the club's brief to him isn't all that spectacular. They're not making the most of this opportunity.

 

[Frang]

By the way, is it just me who has already decided where they'd like to sit from the renderings? Hope it works on a scale of how long you've had a season ticket.

behind a big blue post hopefully

 

[paulbefc]

Looks like there’s been a scaling back of ambition (as is classic Everton). Hopefully the advantages of the location outweigh any downsizing Everton so between now and then. ‘The most iconic club stadium in English football’ ‘a home stand to rival the yellow wall, bigger than the kop’ ‘iconic addition to the waterfront’. At the moment it looks like a pretty generic stadium with a car park being between in and the river.

I take it all of these quotes are taken direct from the club?

 

[Zartan]

Absolutely no chance of it becoming “the most iconic club stadium in English football” if the team playing in it win sod all.

 

[Bobski]

Just seen the pictures. If they're real......hugely disappointing.
Never ever be iconic as it's ya standard stadium that's been built in past 20 years.