2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Khalekan]

Did he 'relegate hull' was it down to him?

He took over Hull (a team who started preseason with 8 first team squad players) who were dead and buried and gave them a fighting chance.

Look at their teamsheets...he wasnt far off a miracle...

I have to disagree with you there Zat.

With six games to go Hull were out the bottom three and they never won a game after that.....they lost five of them I think.

Even at that, they were still in the safety zone and heavy favourites to stay up with three games to go but contrived to lose at home to already relegated Sunderland on the day Swansea beat EFC to revive their own hopes of staying up....which they did.

Hull followed up that defeat by going to fellow relegation fighters Palace a week later and conceded four goals if I am not mistaken.

Then in the last game of his tenure they were walloped 7-0 or sommat at home to Spurs......at least he is consistent were Spurs are concerned

Silva performing near “miracle” at Hull is a pure myth.

From memory, the gap between Hull and safety was greater at the end of the season than it was the day he took over.

I am still baffled as to why Moshiri pursued him with such vigour

 

[MikeH72]

Look at their squad. It was league 1 standard and im not kidding.

No it wasn’t mate, that would mean Steve Bruce is the greatest manager to have ever lived if he got a League 1 squad into the Premier League

 

[hktoffee]

Look at their squad. It was league 1 standard and im not kidding.

He managed to lose against Sunderland (20th) at home at the vital moment. Could have gone either way with 4 games to go. Of course it was not an easy job.

 

[Lanolin]

To be fair there is a bit of revisionism about how his season at Hull ended. He had safety within their hands with 3 games to go, they then lost 2-0 to relegated Sunderland at home, 4-0 to Sam Allardyce’s Crystal Palace and then 7-1 at home to Spurs and went down. Not great like.

To be fair, that's revisionist in itself. He'd done a genuinely remarkable job to get them to a position where they might stay up. They dominated that game against Sunderland but Pickford had a great game, they were 1-0 down and went all out to get back into it, conceding a second in injury time. They then had to beat Palace to have any chance of staying up and conceded after about 30 seconds, it completely knocked the stuffing out of them and they ended up conceding a few late goals that make it sound worse than it was. They were already down when they played Spurs so that's irrelevant really.

 

[Lanolin]

I have to disagree with you there Zat.

With six games to go Hull were out the bottom three and they never won a game after that.....they lost five of them I think.

Even at that, they were still in the safety zone and heavy favourites to stay up with three games to go but contrived to lose at home to already relegated Sunderland on the day Swansea beat EFC to revive their own hopes of staying up....which they did.

Hull followed up that defeat by going to fellow relegation fighters Palace a week later and conceded four goals if I am not mistaken.

Then in the last game of his tenure they were walloped 7-0 or sommat at home to Spurs......at least he is consistent were Spurs are concerned

Silva performing near “miracle” at Hull is a pure myth.

From memory, the gap between Hull and safety was greater at the end of the season than it was the day he took over.

I am still baffled as to why Moshiri pursued him with such vigour

From memory he took a team that had won one of it's last 18 games, had to sell their 2 best players, lost possibly their new best player to an injury he had to retire from, and managed to win six of the 18 games he managed. I'm not saying he's Rinus Michels reincarnated, but let's be fair, he did a good job there.

 

[GwladysBlue]

From memory he took a team that had won one of it's last 18 games, had to sell their 2 best players, lost possibly their new best player to an injury he had to retire from, and managed to win six of the 18 games he managed. I'm not saying he's Rinus Michels reincarnated, but let's be fair, he did a good job there.

Paul Jewell did a good job at Wigan, let’s get him in.

 

[Lanolin]

Paul Jewell did a good job at Wigan, let’s get him in.

Irrelevant to the point isn't it. I'm not saying it means he'll do well here, but it doesn't help the argument if you start denigrating what was clearly a good performance in order to further your point, because it makes it look like you've just got an issue with him rather than reservations about his managerial ability.

 

[Parker]

Irrelevant to the point isn't it. I'm not saying it means he'll do well here, but it doesn't help the argument if you start denigrating what was clearly a good performance in order to further your point, because it makes it look like you've just got an issue with him rather than reservations about his managerial ability.

*Drops Mic*

 

[Khalekan]

From memory he took a team that had won one of it's last 18 games, had to sell their 2 best players, lost possibly their new best player to an injury he had to retire from, and managed to win six of the 18 games he managed. I'm not saying he's Rinus Michels reincarnated, but let's be fair, he did a good job there.

He did a “good job” up to a point.

And that point was when he had to beat an already relegated team at home in order to stay up.

So from that point of view he failed miserably.

If I could put it this way.....Hull was a sinking ship when he joined the club.

He did a great job by getting them into the lifeboat and the safety of land was in sight.

He then jumped straight back into the sea....nullifying all the good work he had done up until then.

But no matter if you think he did a good job at Hull or not.....would you have pursued him the way Moshiri did, based on his six months at Hull and three months at Watford?

IMO it was just plain bizarre.....and this current crisis was very foreseeable and many of us posted our misgivings about Silva at the time we were headhunting him originally.

 

[Zatara]

I have to disagree with you there Zat.

With six games to go Hull were out the bottom three and they never won a game after that.....they lost five of them I think.

Even at that, they were still in the safety zone and heavy favourites to stay up with three games to go but contrived to lose at home to already relegated Sunderland on the day Swansea beat EFC to revive their own hopes of staying up....which they did.

Hull followed up that defeat by going to fellow relegation fighters Palace a week later and conceded four goals if I am not mistaken.

Then in the last game of his tenure they were walloped 7-0 or sommat at home to Spurs......at least he is consistent were Spurs are concerned

Silva performing near “miracle” at Hull is a pure myth.

From memory, the gap between Hull and safety was greater at the end of the season than it was the day he took over.

I am still baffled as to why Moshiri pursued him with such vigour

No it wasn’t mate, that would mean Steve Bruce is the greatest manager to have ever lived if he got a League 1 squad into the Premier League

He managed to lose against Sunderland (20th) at home at the vital moment. Could have gone either way with 4 games to go. Of course it was not an easy job.

Hulls manager was Phelan.

They had 8 starting players in the 1st team squad in preseason, heres their ENTIRE SQUAD

GK Jakupovic
RB Elmohamady
CB Maguire
CB Davies
CB Livermore
LB Robertson
CM Huddlestone
CM Clucas
CM Meylor
MF Maloney
FW Snodgrass
FW Hernandes
FW Diomande

Imagine that with Mike Phelan as manager.

Silva took over and everyone raved about him with the focal.point of his attack...Niasse.

To be fair, that's revisionist in itself. He'd done a genuinely remarkable job to get them to a position where they might stay up. They dominated that game against Sunderland but Pickford had a great game, they were 1-0 down and went all out to get back into it, conceding a second in injury time. They then had to beat Palace to have any chance of staying up and conceded after about 30 seconds, it completely knocked the stuffing out of them and they ended up conceding a few late goals that make it sound worse than it was. They were already down when they played Spurs so that's irrelevant really.

Correct

From memory he took a team that had won one of it's last 18 games, had to sell their 2 best players, lost possibly their new best player to an injury he had to retire from, and managed to win six of the 18 games he managed. I'm not saying he's Rinus Michels reincarnated, but let's be fair, he did a good job there.

Even I couldnt have done better.

 

[MikeH72]

To be fair, that's revisionist in itself. He'd done a genuinely remarkable job to get them to a position where they might stay up. They dominated that game against Sunderland but Pickford had a great game, they were 1-0 down and went all out to get back into it, conceding a second in injury time. They then had to beat Palace to have any chance of staying up and conceded after about 30 seconds, it completely knocked the stuffing out of them and they ended up conceding a few late goals that make it sound worse than it was. They were already down when they played Spurs so that's irrelevant really.

It’s not revisionist, it’s what happened. I’m not saying he hadn’t done a good job during the rest of his time there, but safety was one win from being secured with a reasonable set of fixtures, and they went down with a whimper in the end.

 

[Lanolin]

He did a “good job” up to a point.

And that point was when he had to beat an already relegated team at home in order to stay up.

So from that point of view he failed miserably.

If I could put it this way.....Hull was a sinking ship when he joined the club.

He did a great job by getting them into the lifeboat and the safety of land was in sight.

He then jumped straight back into the sea....nullifying all the good work he had done up until then.

But no matter if you think he did a good job at Hull or not.....would you have pursued him the way Moshiri did, based on his six months at Hull and three months at Watford?

IMO it was just plain bizarre.....and this current crisis was very foreseeable and many of us posted our misgivings about Silva at the time we were headhunting him originally.

I wouldn't have pursued him no, but he still did a good job. It's like when people said Moyes wasn't doing a good job and was holding us back, only to find that since he left we've nosedived. There's only so much you can do as a manager, it's why Guardiola doesn't just go and manage Accrington and take them to the CL to prove to us all how good he is, because it's just not possible.

 

[Khalekan]

I wouldn't have pursued him no, but he still did a good job. It's like when people said Moyes wasn't doing a good job and was holding us back, only to find that since he left we've nosedived. There's only so much you can do as a manager, it's why Guardiola doesn't just go and manage Accrington and take them to the CL to prove to us all how good he is, because it's just not possible.

Thank you, Lan.

That was all I wanted to know

 

[Bob Elstone]

Lose tonight and don’t bother getting on the coach.

 

[hktoffee]

Lose tonight and don’t bother getting on the coach.

How about a draw?