2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[evertonarntwe]

Did he 'relegate hull' was it down to him?

He took over Hull (a team who started preseason with 8 first team squad players) who were dead and buried and gave them a fighting chance.

Look at their teamsheets...he wasnt far off a miracle...

I don't think it's his fault re hull to be fair I just used that to suit my agenda

 

[BlueToff]

Do you think @zzr45 is correct in highlighting the quotes on the previous page from

Conte
Klopp
Pep

To highlight that they changed their systems and styles ?

For me, and this is simply what i saw with my own eyes @zzr45 it looks to me managetial waffle and didnt serve klopp well in his 1st season...one might say he was doing as well as silva bar 2 pts with a settled and better team.

Also Sarri hasnt done too well in the same timeframe weve fallen apart.

Not sure mate, I think it's a bit of both.

I think zz could well be right in quoting them, but tbf I don't think any of those managers actually did change their system.

Conte didn't. Sarri hasn't.

Pep did in the first season when it was clear he didn't have the players, but he only did it slightly. He then went and spent £130m on 3 FBs to ensure he could play the way he wanted.

Klopp has had tons of money to spend. He has only changed his system this season, and even then they've relied heavily on VVD - a world class CB - to help them do that.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

To be fair he was injured at that point i think...

It was still funny though Zat, more because it looked like he was just challenging thin air.

 

[BlueToff]

Richarlison and Bernard, both players brought in under Silva.

Silva should drop Gomes then if it's not working, but continues to play him.

We should have more than enough quality to be picking up more than 2 points against Southampton, Brighton, Newcastle, Watford and Leicester.

Silva continues to keep playing the same tactics even though they're not working.

It's not Pickford's (even though he can be blamed for a lot of things) fault our CBs can't head the ball away, or pick - up opposition players.

I'm not saying we should sack Silva.

Digne is the only player in that picture executing zonal marking properly.

The three at the back stick are entirely responsible for that goal.

WTF is Zouma doing?

 

[BlueToff]

Tonight is a massive game for him; if there’s no real change - either tactics or result - I think a lot of people will be in the get rid camp. I know I will, because to continue down this path is madness.

I do agree to an extent. He needs to show something, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Digne is the only player in that picture executing zonal marking properly.

The three at the back stick are entirely responsible for that goal.

WTF is Zouma doing?

You see better defending and positional play in Sunday league footy Toff.

 

[BlueToff]

This is the problem in a nutshell.

Zonal is a symptom of it. The players can't do it - "I've got to stick to my zone; it doesn't matter that nobody is in it and three players are in another persons zone - this zone is my responsibility."

The players in that photo have not followed zonal marking.

There are four players at the back post. Only one - max two - should be in that zone. Digne is the only player in that photo who is marking his zone, and even he has been dragged in.

I'm not saying it's not an issue - it is - but the players are as much at fault. They can't man mark either. We know that.

 

[BlueToff]

You see better defending and positional play in Sunday league footy Toff.

Absolutely.

Our players would struggle at that level, tbh.

 

[hktoffee]

Did he 'relegate hull' was it down to him?

He took over Hull (a team who started preseason with 8 first team squad players) who were dead and buried and gave them a fighting chance.

Look at their teamsheets...he wasnt far off a miracle...

That’s his last 4 games.

Southampton 0-0 Hull
Hull 0-2 Sunderland
Crystal Palace 4-0 Hull
Hull 1-7 Spurs

He could have got them out of relegation.

 

[hktoffee]

The players in that photo have not followed zonal marking.

There are four players at the back post. Only one - max two - should be in that zone. Digne is the only player in that photo who is marking his zone, and even he has been dragged in.

I'm not saying it's not an issue - it is - but the players are as much at fault. They can't man mark either. We know that.

This has been the problem since last August and he was unable to rectify that.

 

[zzr45]

Pep did in the first season when it was clear he didn't have the players, but he only did it slightly. He then went and spent £130m on 3 FBs to ensure he could play the way he wanted.

Klopp has had tons of money to spend. He has only changed his system this season, and even then they've relied heavily on VVD - a world class CB - to help them do that.

That's more at what I'm getting at, Pep had to adapt until he could use City's resources to get the right people for his system. Sadly we aren't in the same position where we can cherry pick the right players for what we want to do. There needs to more adaption, more management of what Silva actually has, rather than bemoaning that the players don't get it.

As you say Conte and Sarri probably fall into the later refusal to adapt, Conte had a great season but quickly burned out, Sarri seems to be following a similar path. Again, did the actually have the resources to cherry pick?

 

[MikeH72]

Did he 'relegate hull' was it down to him?

He took over Hull (a team who started preseason with 8 first team squad players) who were dead and buried and gave them a fighting chance.

Look at their teamsheets...he wasnt far off a miracle...

To be fair there is a bit of revisionism about how his season at Hull ended. He had safety within their hands with 3 games to go, they then lost 2-0 to relegated Sunderland at home, 4-0 to Sam Allardyce’s Crystal Palace and then 7-1 at home to Spurs and went down. Not great like.

 

[Zatara]

That’s his last 4 games.

Southampton 0-0 Hull
Hull 0-2 Sunderland
Crystal Palace 4-0 Hull
Hull 1-7 Spurs

He could have got them out of relegation.

Look at their squad. It was league 1 standard and im not kidding.

 

[Cool_Blue]

I repeat what I’ve said in a few posts, I think Pickford is a big part of this specific defensive problem. He’s just not a goalkeeper who commands the 6-yard box (possibly due to his size?). Hence the defenders don’t know if he’s coming for the cross or not. Think he prefers to stay on his line and make ‘brilliant’ reaction saves (or not) to the free headers that invariably come in.

 

[Tubey]

The players in that photo have not followed zonal marking.

There are four players at the back post. Only one - max two - should be in that zone. Digne is the only player in that photo who is marking his zone, and even he has been dragged in.

I'm not saying it's not an issue - it is - but the players are as much at fault. They can't man mark either. We know that.

Isn't that exactly the point - that they can't do it?

It's like trying to build a flatpack with a spoon, and instead of getting a screwdriver, persisting with the bloody spoon.

If Silva was pragmatic, he ditches it for man to man and gets back to basics until he has the players to do it. I don't buy the argument that persisting highlights the weakness, because if he doesn't know it's a weakness by now he's braindead.

If he wants to defend a certain way, bring the players in in the summer to do it - until then, given you know what the issue is, temporarily fix the issue until you can permanently fix it later.

It's called management.