The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Yep that is something we have definitely seen before. Other images showed blue seats all around with EVERTON in white as per Goodison, so should be safe to assume there will be no yellow seats.
Yep that is something we have definitely seen before. Other images showed blue seats all around with EVERTON in white as per Goodison, so should be safe to assume there will be no yellow seats.
It may possibly have been sorry. Admittedly, it was the first time I'd seen it and a few sources were showing it, hence why I thought I'd share it.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Signing a lease and retaining an architect and employing someone you already employed anyway to be a stadium CEO - hardly anything tangible in terms of progress there.
I'd like to take us all back again though to this utter bunkum statement from Chong the other day regarding a planning application:
"The planning application will be submitted at the earliest opportunity and will be complete and thorough. It will be a full planning application and, therefore, we need to make sure that everything in it is absolutely correct. This, too, is a complex process. We’re reliant on third-parties and a lot of the work simply can’t be rushed."
So, the planning application will be "complete and thorough". Great. Did we expect one that would be incomplete and not thoroughgoing?
He needs a planning application that's "absolutley correct". Brilliant. I had a feeling the club might send in an incorrect planning application, so that's a relief.
And "it's a complex process" too. Never thought of that. I thought it was just like signing up for an email account. Good to know the club know it's complex.
"It simply cant be rushed", he informs us. Yeah, we've noticed mate. Maybe the club shouldn't be telling fans it's imminent then.
That "update" the other day was a piss-take. It was as good a reminder as anything that this scheme is on the drawing board only and not shifting off it anytime soon.
Dont just accept the club's piss-takes. They have form - REMEMBER - on three other occasions of telling us absolute bollocks of stadiums coming to fruition. Dont be gullible for the fourth time. Question everything they tell you.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
In every single update we’ve had regarding this scheme, they’ve always reminded us of how ‘complex’ the whole project is. They’re leaving themselves a get-out-of-jail card for if/when it all goes belly up.
There is never any confidence in anything this club does. For a while, I thought it would change under the ownership of Moshiri, but all appointments he’s made thus far have been employees that have already been working within the club. He’s also failed to shift the likes of Kenwright and Woods out. The same old failures that have had a direct impact on why we lag so far behind now.
They’ve said they’d have the planning application in by Autumn. If that isn’t done, we deserve an explanation as to why.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
They have worked a situation with the BMD stadium scheme whereby it's so much of a potential prize (a stadium down there on the world heritage site) that most people are seemingly prepared to abandon all common sense and cut them way too much slack in accounting for the failure to progress it.
All I see is stadium #4 on the go and it's getting nowhere fast: no funding, no advance through planning.
It's BS. How do people not see this and call it too?
Staggering to me.
Question for the nay sayers. Why are the club still insisting the stadium will be built? Has it been a con from day one? Or was a genuine plan which has just been too difficult and/or expensive to pull off? I understand the club has previous and the pretence of building a new stadium served Kenwright well on several occasions in that it took the heat off him and bought him more time in charge. I was certainly taken in by KD (and excited by it) and DK (thank God that didn't happen). But why this and why now?
What are Moshiri's motives in this huge con? He didn't have to suggest a new stadium. Most of us were just happy that at long last there was a change at the top (a change compounded in the last week, I might).
So, although all the clues for you Miss Marples out there seem to be pointing at it never happening, what is/was Moshiri's motive in this crime? Bogus from the off? Fine, but why even suggest it. Genuine attempt but ultimately not doable? Fine, but why prolong the agony and appoint a new stadium director, architect still on board etc and not pull the plug as soon as possible? That is what doesn't make sense to me.
What are Moshiri's motives in this huge con? He didn't have to suggest a new stadium. Most of us were just happy that at long last there was a change at the top (a change compounded in the last week, I might).
So, although all the clues for you Miss Marples out there seem to be pointing at it never happening, what is/was Moshiri's motive in this crime? Bogus from the off? Fine, but why even suggest it. Genuine attempt but ultimately not doable? Fine, but why prolong the agony and appoint a new stadium director, architect still on board etc and not pull the plug as soon as possible? That is what doesn't make sense to me.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
On the contrary mate, the clues keep pointing to one outcome for many.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
State of this thread makes me wanna cry sometimes. With KD we didn't have two brass farthings to rub together, although it may have been doable if Kenwright handed over power to the Greggs but you can see the complications. By DK we still didn't have much money, totally reliant on a third party to build a cheap stadium and there were campaign groups from both the fans and the people of Kirkby to stop it.
This is totally different situation with different people running the club. It cannot be compared to previous failed attempts. We have near 300 million of the funds already in place and I'm sure Moshiri would top that up a bit if a required + if we didn't spend one summer and offloaded say a Pickford then it's almost done. Unless Moshiri has a massive heart attack it is getting built, people need to chillax a bit.
This is totally different situation with different people running the club. It cannot be compared to previous failed attempts. We have near 300 million of the funds already in place and I'm sure Moshiri would top that up a bit if a required + if we didn't spend one summer and offloaded say a Pickford then it's almost done. Unless Moshiri has a massive heart attack it is getting built, people need to chillax a bit.
I believe at the AGM, Elstone stated (gist)...If the funding gets 'silly/OTT' we will walk. Some ITK should be able to pull up the actual piece, thanks.
Commence 'Operation Goodison Redevelopment'
Aren’t we still reliant on other parties for the money mate, also, I don’t come on this thread much, so genuine question where have we got the “ near £300m already in place” from?
wainy
Player Valuation: £35m
Can't argue with any of that to be honest mate. I understand your caution and scepticism when it comes to Everton and stadiums, I just don't think the club would be commenting though if they wanted this issue to go away, for whatever reason.
I am keen to see this new "progress website" they have mentioned in that interview, maybe I am an optimist, but I don't understand why Everton would talk about this without being confident of it happening although, again, this is Everton we are dealing with.
Interesting also that Meis will be attending today, any thoughts on that?
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Regarding relying on other parties, yes of course you are right in a way but before we couldn't raise a loan ourselves. We already had a 60 million debt that had been secured on future income, so for the other projects we were totally reliant on development agency and Tesco's. We are in a position now where we won't get laughed out of a lenders office.
The 280 million is the offer the council have made to loan us. Which is a fair bit to kickstart the development and possibly if the plans were to be scaled back it is not unimaginable we could build a stadium for around 400 million. So that money plus one Siggy plus say a 70 million loan from Moshiri and it would be done.
No chance, unless its around 40, 000 capacity.
Isn't the proposed stadium at BMD just part of the overall development of the docks? How can others with a major interest in investing in the area surrounding BMD proceed until they have certainty about it? I don't think they'd be happy sitting on their hands waiting to see whether or not the stadium will be built.
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