Sam Allardyce

[Neiler]

If Fonseca or Silva had come in and got us to 8th, from our starting position of recruitment they wouldn't get the heat Sam does.

I can understand why, his attitude is poor, he doesn't engage well with the fan base and he is results focused as opposed to performance.

But there has to be a bit of objectivity to the debate, a bit of self reflection as well, anyone else cringe when they hear WHU talking about playing the WHU way, we are not far of it.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If Fonseca or Silva had come in and got us to 8th, from our starting position of recruitment they wouldn't get the heat Sam does.

I can understand why, his attitude is poor, he doesn't engage well with the fan base and he is results focused as opposed to performance.

But there has to be a bit of objectivity o the debate, a bit of self reflection as well, anyone else cringe when they hear WHU talking about playing the WHU way, we are not far of it.

This style of football has a very low ceiling. He's had a chance to be more expansive and try to play some actual sustainable passing football but he just reverts to type.

This is as good as it gets. Having Sam as manager shows you fear relegation. He's a stigma and an acceptance you don't want to better yourself. That's why he is so divisive. He's an admission that we've given up on ourselves as a club.

 

[Brisan123]

It's so weird with so much money flying around these days. You'd think the richest league would be the best. Far from it. We really should be in actual trouble this year, yet here we sit in 8th.

Aside from the Sky 6 Us and Leicester at the start of the season any 3 from 12 could have gone down the league is that bad
None of the 3 promoted sides will go down , when is the last time that happened
It’s now become a 2 leagues within a league division.
We are being cut adrift and unless Moshiri worlds the axe , clears the decks and appoints a different style of Manager and backs him financially /DOF then we will be in a 2/3 way battle for best if the rest.
This was the season we could have challenged Arsenal for a spot in the top 6

 

[MrGrumpy]

If Fonseca or Silva had come in and got us to 8th, from our starting position of recruitment they wouldn't get the heat Sam does.

I can understand why, his attitude is poor, he doesn't engage well with the fan base and he is results focused as opposed to performance.

But there has to be a bit of objectivity o the debate, a bit of self reflection as well, anyone else cringe when they hear WHU talking about playing the WHU way, we are not far of it.

It’s all about mentality, he STILLgoing on about saving us from relegation, if he come in on day one and said.

What’s you target Sam, keep Everton up?

No it’s to get Back in Europe.

He hasn’t he gone on and on about relegation and 40 points even thought we been safe since he beat Huddersfield and Newcastle.

Yesterday he said “fantastic result against a team that’s won the last 4” when really it was a poor game with no quality, even the goal was a miss kick by Bolasie

 

[Brendan Janus]

The Geordies are as shoite as us !!

 

[davek]

I have the feeling he's still talking up his tenure here in preparation for adding it to his CV for the summer when he is released by Everton; however, I can also easily see with no great difficulty a scenario where Moshiri thinks that 15th to 8th has earned Allardyce extra time here.

What could muddy the waters is if Allardyce (understandably from his own P.O.V.) pushed for a contract that goes beyond his 18 month one - say another 12 months. That's what any manager would do if they'd been brought in on a shortish contract and they'd carried out the remit their employer set them. I cant see a feller who's been round the block numerous times sitting back and just accepting seeing out his contract as it currently stands with no possibility of being paid up for a longer period if he's released early next season.

The best thing all round is to pay him up on his existing contract and thank him and see him off down the road...which is still favourite to happen, but not a forgone conclusion by any means. I think the odds are 60/40 in favour of him being relieved of his duties.

 

[Neiler]

It’s all about mentality, he STILLgoing on about saving us from relegation, if he come in on day one and said.

What’s you target Sam, keep Everton up?

No it’s to get Back in Europe.

He hasn’t he gone on and on about relegation and 40 points even thought we been safe since he beat Huddersfield and Newcastle.

Yesterday he said “fantastic result against a team that’s won the last 4” when really it was a poor game with no quality, even the goal was a miss kick by Bolasie

Nobody needs to explain i understand why people dont like him. I do think he has done his job in terms of what his remit was for this season, its shockingly awful to watch, but we came from a very low base. Im not particularly fighting his corner or arguing a case for a five year contract for him, i am reflecting on the fact that he has done what has been asked of him and completed his remit.

If you buy a Zebra no point going back to the Zebra shop and complaining about the stripes and that is what Everton did recruiting him and lets be honest, there was bit of relief when he came in because we were looking in the manure business.

He did his job basically. I do have some sympathy for him and a lot of the criticism is over the top and easy to do from a safe position. I think a bit of objectivity in the debate is required.

 

[GwladysBlue]

If Fonseca or Silva had come in and got us to 8th, from our starting position of recruitment they wouldn't get the heat Sam does.

I can understand why, his attitude is poor, he doesn't engage well with the fan base and he is results focused as opposed to performance.

But there has to be a bit of objectivity to the debate, a bit of self reflection as well, anyone else cringe when they hear WHU talking about playing the WHU way, we are not far of it.

I think it would be different with them two because they are young managers with exciting ideas. We all know what Fat Sam can do, we've all seen his ceiling over the past two decades. We're not entering the unknown where the gamble could pay off, like Fonseca and Silva.

Not to mention, Fat Sam is a despicable crook.

 

[davek]

Nobody needs to explain i understand why people dont like him. I do think he has done his job in terms of what his remit was for this season, its shockingly awful to watch, but we came from a very low base. Im not particularly fighting is corner or arguing a case for a five year contract for him, i am reflecting on the fact that he has done what has been asked of him and completed his remit, if you buy a Zebra no point complaining about the stripes and that what everton did and lets be honest, there was bit of relief when he came in because we were looking in the manure business. He did his job basically. I do have some sympathy for him and a lot of the criticism is over the top and easy to do from a safe position.

Agree 100%. He's done what was asked of him. No point in arguing he hasn't.

We need now a big decision from Moshiri to make good on his original stated ambitions to get us top 5/6 again. Sam Allardyce can NEVER get that for us.

Moshiri is going to face a storm if he retains SA.

 

[Tez]

I think the point people are missing is this is literally as good as it would get under Scam.

This is his ceiling. Kick and rush football where you beat some dross at home and that's it and the lofty heights of 8th place.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

When is his meeting with Moshiri?


My belief & enthusiasm for Everton will resume when he’s relieved of his duties. If it’s done before the end of the season, that will tell me Moshiri means business.

 

[Neiler]

I think it would be different with them two because they are young managers with exciting ideas. We all know what Fat Sam can do, we've all seen his ceiling over the past two decades. We're not entering the unknown where the gamble could pay off, like Fonseca and Silva.

Not to mention, Fat Sam is a despicable crook.

Like Martinez or Koeman.

I often find that an interesting description "young up and coming manager". Pochittno is still considered young and up and coming, Klopp is the same age or there about, i think and is considered a seasoned experienced manager. Its often our perception.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Firstly, I can't stand Sam, he is a classless twerp that isn't fit to sit in our dugout.

However, Moshiri is a businessman not an Everton fan. If we finish 8th this season, after 7th last season, why does he want to sack him? Did he want to sack Koeman last year for a one place better finish? Arguably, 7th with Lukaku is a similar achievement as 8th with this side.

I want him gone today, but I really don't think he is getting sacked, does Moshiri really want to pay 6mil out after finishing 8th and Sam "turning us round" from 13th. He'll get the start of next season IMO

Sadly there is a lot of sense in that post. I really hope that Moshiri looks at the bigger picture though because keeping Allardyce beyond next month will, in my humble and totally biased opinion, be a monunental mistake.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I have the feeling he's still talking up his tenure here in preparation for adding it to his CV for the summer when he is released by Everton; however, I can also easily see with no great difficulty a scenario where Moshiri thinks that 15th to 8th has earned Allardyce extra time here.

What could muddy the waters is if Allardyce (understandably from his own P.O.V.) pushed for a contract that goes beyond his 18 month one - say another 12 months. That's what any manager would do if they'd been brought in on a shortish contract and they'd carried out the remit their employer set them. I cant see a feller who's been round the block numerous times sitting back and just accepting seeing out his contract as it currently stands with no possibility of being paid up for a longer period if he's released early next season.

The best thing all round is to pay him up on his existing contract and thank him and see him off down the road...which is still favourite to happen, but not a forgone conclusion by any means. I think the odds are 60/40 in favour of him being relieved of his duties.

It’s weird because I can see all alternatives, I can see him getting sacked but I can also see him getting an improved contract. I think the sacking more likely as I don’t think Brands would have taken the job if Sam was staying.

What type of football do you play Sam, well I stick to 10 rules and never break them.

 

[Gladystweet]

If Fonseca or Silva had come in and got us to 8th, from our starting position of recruitment they wouldn't get the heat Sam does.

I can understand why, his attitude is poor, he doesn't engage well with the fan base and he is results focused as opposed to performance.

But there has to be a bit of objectivity to the debate, a bit of self reflection as well, anyone else cringe when they hear WHU talking about playing the WHU way, we are not far of it.

I agree. But shouldn't we be looking to the future? Shouldn't we be aiming to better ourselves, instead of accepting mediocrity and knowing "our place"?
Im playing devils advocate here, and have become apathetic to the whole situation. I'm very relieved we're safe again, but I see no future with Alardyce. The very thought of him here next season fills me with dread.
What worries me most, is the board have been burned by Koeman, Walsh, and their magic bean splurge, and will settle for calmer waters.