“Fans” that won’t support us if we get Allardyce

[Agent Blue]

Haha im so pleased he wont be going to Cyprus. Finally we have a leader who has balls to do things that might cause a stirr but that in the end are right calls.

You guys know what we have here? Well I tell you....

A true MACCIAVELLIAN OPERATOR
And....I....loved it.

Bet he writes his match notes on the back of a copy of The Prince.

 

[Papa Shango]

Hilarious seeing people thinking Alardyce is going to do something he's never done once in his long managerial career, win something or challenge the top 4 hahahaha

He left Bolton when in 5th place...

 

[MickA]

Alan Pardew has barely managed a quarter of the games as Allardyce has in the Premier League, I think you're the one bending stats to suit your argument.

Wrong again. Allardyce has 510 PL games in his top flight record, Pardew 347.

The facts are Pardew has a better win %age and ppg than Allardyce in the PL.

 

[MikeH72]

Wrong again. Allardyce has 510 PL games in his top flight record, Pardew 347.

The facts are Pardew has a better win %age and ppg than Allardyce in the PL.

Hahaha, so nowhere near then? Cheers mert x

 

[MickA]

Hahaha, so nowhere near then? Cheers mert x

So facts and maths not your strong point?

"Alan Pardew has barely managed a quarter of the games as Allardyce has in the Premier League" er, so the number he'd barely managed according to you would be about 120 so you're talking absolute garbage.

Listen, I know it's hard to reconcile that we've appointed a manager with a worse record than Pardew and other selected comedy figures for this forum (thinking of the O'Neill silverware issue too), but facts are facts, the stats all out there. If you choose to display a selected Trump like belief system then more fool you.

Besides there's loads in this thread who have 'a funny feeling' he's gonna do well for us based on absolutely nothing so that'll see us through.

 

[MikeH72]

So facts and maths not your strong point?

"Alan Pardew has barely managed a quarter of the games as Allardyce has in the Premier League" er, so the number he'd barely managed according to you would be about 120 so you're talking absolute garbage.

Listen, I know it's hard to reconcile that we've appointed a manager with a worse record than Pardew and other selected comedy figures for this forum (thinking of the O'Neill silverware issue too), but facts are facts, the stats all out there. If you choose to display a selected Trump like belief system then more fool you.

Besides there's loads in this thread who have 'a funny feeling' he's gonna do well for us based on absolutely nothing so that'll see us through.

I am deeply sorry you can't comprehend the concept of exaggeration mate, but anyway. Alan Pardew is quite clearly a worse manager than Allardyce. In nearly half the time spent in the PL he's been relegated 1 more time than him, and been sacked about 3 more times. Have a great day x

 

[MickA]

I am deeply sorry you can't comprehend the concept of exaggeration mate, but anyway. Alan Pardew is quite clearly a worse manager than Allardyce. He's been relegated 1 more time than him, and been sacked about 4 more times. Have a great day x

I've never said he was better at all, my original post was that he wins more games than Allardyce. Which is true.

I get it mate, you don't like certain truths so bluster your way through talking about other things. Never mind, it'll be over soon. Enjoy your day Donald.

 

[bluestevon]

I am deeply sorry you can't comprehend the concept of exaggeration mate, but anyway. Alan Pardew is quite clearly a worse manager than Allardyce. He's been relegated 1 more time than him, and been sacked about 4 more times. Have a great day x

Short term which is what ultimately both these guys have made a living from, then the 'facts' show that they are very much equal at least, Pardew is actually known for the massive short term (1/2 season) boost he gives when arriving at a club, as he is apparently a very very good motivator, after a period that wears off and he is exposed as being a bit of a clown.

Either way - he has a higher win % than BFS, he has also managed far more than 1/4 of the games - about 70% of the number of games BFS has managed - rather than your stated 25% figure (even if you where exaggerating rather than just guessing badly wrong then thats a bit on the extreme side in terms of exaggerating)

You exaggerating again on the last point btw mate?

Pardew was sacked by West Ham, Southampton and Palace - he left Charlton by mutual consent, and the other jobs he left to take on another job so wasn't sacked - so that's 3 sacking, 4 if you want to say the Charlton one was also.

Here's Allardyce and his record - Blackpool - sacked, Newcastle - sacked, Blackburn - sacked, West Ham - released after contract expired, England - sacked - so thats 4 sackings - effectively 5 including west ham.

 

[MikeH72]

I've never said he was better at all, my original post was that he wins more games than Allardyce. Which is true.

I get it mate, you don't like certain truths so bluster your way through talking about other things. Never mind, it'll be over soon. Enjoy your day Donald.

How can you say he wins more games than Allardyce when the figures are so disproportionate due to number of games actually managed?

 

[MikeH72]

Short term which is what ultimately both these guys have made a living from, then the 'facts' show that they are very much equal at least, Pardew is actually known for the massive short term (1/2 season) boost he gives when arriving at a club, as he is apparently a very very good motivator, after a period that wears off and he is exposed as being a bit of a clown.

Either way - he has a higher win % than BFS, he has also managed far more than 1/4 of the games - about 70% of the number of games BFS has managed - rather than your stated 25% figure (even if you where exaggerating rather than just guessing badly wrong then thats a bit on the extreme side in terms of exaggerating)

You exaggerating again on the last point btw mate?

Pardew was sacked by West Ham, Southampton and Palace - he left Charlton by mutual consent, and the other jobs he left to take on another job so wasn't sacked - so that's 3 sacking, 4 if you want to say the Charlton one was also.

Here's Allardyce and his record - Blackpool - sacked, Newcastle - sacked, Blackburn - sacked, West Ham - released after contract expired, England - sacked - so thats 4 sackings - effectively 5 including west ham.

LOL. No you cannot include his contract expiring at West Ham as a sacking, that's like saying we sacked Moyes. And England, Jesus Christ. Nothing to do with his managerial ability that, also not comparable to Pardew because he'll never get near international football in his life.

He has a proven track record of improving dire teams in the short term to keep them up. Pardew had a track record of turning mid-table teams into those grim teams that Allardyce is left to save.

I think if you offered any club in the bottom half of the Premier League the choice between "Pards" and "BFS", they'd take Allardyce every single time. That's because...

Wait for it.

He is a better manager.

 

[bluestevon]

LOL. No you cannot include his contract expiring at West Ham as a sacking, that's like saying we sacked Moyes. And England, Jesus Christ. Nothing to do with his managerial ability that.

He has a proven track record of improving dire teams in the short term to keep them up. Pardew had a track record of turning mid-table teams into those grim teams at Allardyce is left to save.

I think if you offered any club in the bottom half of the Premier League the choice between "Pards" and "BFS", they'd take Allardyce every single time. That's because...

Wait for it.

He is a better manager.

It's not though really is it mate, West Ham didn't offer him a new contract, no other club had tapped him up like had happened with Moyes, and by all accounts he knew they wanted to sack him from Christmas time on that season - but they didn't want to have to pay him compensation.

when is a sacking not a a sacking - when it doesn't suit your argument? was he sacked by England - yes. Actually Pardew does very well initially at clubs, then they start to slump and end up in a mess, so you're correct there, Allardyce however has a record for saving teams, but look what happens after he leaves and with the squad he leaves behind, they tend to collapse within two years and ultimately are worse off than prior to him arriving. Can't ignore all the points about both managers.

Never said he wasn't a better manager, just don't see the need to totally invent statistics to try to support that point, Pardew has a better win % - FACT, Pardew has not managed 25% the amount of games but about 70% the games of Allardyce - FACT, Pardew has not been sacked 4 times more than Allardyce they have both been sacked 3 or 4 times depending on your criteria - FACT.

all said in a jarg spanish fat waiter voice.

 

[MikeH72]

It's not though really is it mate, West Ham didn't offer him a new contract, no other club had tapped him up like had happened with Moyes, and by all accounts he knew they wanted to sack him from Christmas time on that season - but they didn't want to have to pay him compensation.

when is a sacking not a a sacking - when it doesn't suit your argument? was he sacked by England - yes. Actually Pardew does very well initially at clubs, then they start to slump and end up in a mess, so you're correct there, Allardyce however has a record for saving teams, but look what happens after he leaves and with the squad he leaves behind, they tend to collapse within two years and ultimately are worse off than prior to him arriving. Can't ignore all the points about both managers.

Never said he wasn't a better manager, just don't see the need to totally invent statistics to try to support that point, Pardew has a better win % - FACT, Pardew has not managed 25% the amount of games but about 70% the games of Allardyce - FACT, Pardew has not been sacked 4 times more than Allardyce they have both been sacked 3 or 4 times depending on your criteria - FACT.

all said in a jarg spanish fat waiter voice.

A sacking is not a sacking when your contract is not terminated mid-way through. So no, he didn't get sacked at all by West Ham. His last actual club "sacking" was 7 years ago under Venkys who don't have a clue about football and brought Steve Kean in to relegate them, leading to them currently struggling to get out of League 1. In that time, Pardew has been sacked twice by Premier League clubs and one of those clubs even ended up turning to Allardyce to fix the mess he made.

Pardew has not managed anywhere near the amount of PL games as Allardyce. If he ever does, I guarantee you his win percentage will be matching or worse than Sam's.

 

[Papa Shango]

People will one day realize that what a manager (or player come to think of it) has done at another club in the past is totally irrelevant.

 

[MickA]

How can you say he wins more games than Allardyce when the figures are so disproportionate due to number of games actually managed?

They've both managed a significant number of games in the PL (350+), I don't think it's disproportionate to compare.

My last word on this is that I don't rate Pardew either. What I'm trying to say is that when people dismiss the likes of O'Neill and Pardew it is exactly that calibre of manager we have hired, the stats for all of them are strikingly similar. I think some are letting the fact he now manages us to elevate his status and record.

 

[DualityNSNO]

A sacking is not a sacking when your contract is not terminated mid-way through. So no, he didn't get sacked at all by West Ham. His last actual club "sacking" was 7 years ago under Venkys who don't have a clue about football and brought Steve Kean in to relegate them, leading to them currently struggling to get out of League 1. In that time, Pardew has been sacked twice by Premier League clubs and one of those clubs even ended up turning to Allardyce to fix the mess he made.

Pardew has not managed anywhere near the amount of PL games as Allardyce. If he ever does, I guarantee you his win percentage will be matching or worse than Sam's.

Also FWIW this is the first time Fat Sam's managing a decent enough team whose main goal isn't to avoid relegation every season.

Also Guardiola, as an extreme example, started off with Barca on the backbone on 1 total season of youth football, so what this past history tells us is nothing. A manager can do average/badly in one team and absolutely smash with another, that's just life/motivation/possibilities/prospects.