Stan Lee Park
Player Valuation: £20m
The players we have now are far worse than those we had in 1994. I can't think of one who would get in that side.
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BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
On current form, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly.
If you're talking about when playing to their potential then that's a ridiculous statement.
Having sat here and actually pondered this question for half an hour or so I am changing my opinion and saying that we are no worse at this comparable stage of the season now than we were then.
In fact we are probably better off.
For several reasons.
All the criticisms we level at this squad now were also levelled at the players in November 1994.
Heartless, useless, rudderless, couldn't give a flying cuss about us etc.
And whilst Duncan Ferguson went on to become a legend at the club, when he first arrived that autumn with a couple of other loanees in a job lot from Rangers, including a useless get name of Ian Durant, there was a real sense of us scraping the barrel in hopeless desperation with this move.
Remember, this more or less same squad had avoided relegation by a hairs breath six short months before so the feeling of despair was not only palpable but also of recent memory.
Then there was the actual league position.
After 12 games today we are sitting, I think, 16th in the table with 12 points.
After 12 games then we sat rock bottom with 4 points.
We had our own Atalanta game back then as well.....Manchester City came to Goodison and walloped us 4-0 in front of a half empty stadium.
And this was a million miles from the City we know today.
Last but by no means least, the fear of relegation was greater back then because the nascent Premier League was being reduced in numbers at the end of that season and there were four teams to be relegated instead of the three there are today.
Finishing as high as fourth from bottom was not an option in 1994/95
So in conclusion......I have to say things are not as bad after 12 games as they were after 12 games in 1994
And for that small mercy, ol' Khal is very thankful
Keep the faith guys.....things ain't so bad....they are just more wrong than right at the moment
As Gloria Gaynor might have said if she had been a Siamese Twin....we will survive.
COYB
In fact we are probably better off.
For several reasons.
All the criticisms we level at this squad now were also levelled at the players in November 1994.
Heartless, useless, rudderless, couldn't give a flying cuss about us etc.
And whilst Duncan Ferguson went on to become a legend at the club, when he first arrived that autumn with a couple of other loanees in a job lot from Rangers, including a useless get name of Ian Durant, there was a real sense of us scraping the barrel in hopeless desperation with this move.
Remember, this more or less same squad had avoided relegation by a hairs breath six short months before so the feeling of despair was not only palpable but also of recent memory.
Then there was the actual league position.
After 12 games today we are sitting, I think, 16th in the table with 12 points.
After 12 games then we sat rock bottom with 4 points.
We had our own Atalanta game back then as well.....Manchester City came to Goodison and walloped us 4-0 in front of a half empty stadium.
And this was a million miles from the City we know today.
Last but by no means least, the fear of relegation was greater back then because the nascent Premier League was being reduced in numbers at the end of that season and there were four teams to be relegated instead of the three there are today.
Finishing as high as fourth from bottom was not an option in 1994/95
So in conclusion......I have to say things are not as bad after 12 games as they were after 12 games in 1994
And for that small mercy, ol' Khal is very thankful
Keep the faith guys.....things ain't so bad....they are just more wrong than right at the moment
As Gloria Gaynor might have said if she had been a Siamese Twin....we will survive.
COYB
You are letting your unreasonable hatred of Davud cloud your vision, orly.
He was fine young centre half in 1994.
PhilEFC
Player Valuation: £35m
I’m lucky enough to see our great teams in the 80’s, but for the majority of my life we’ve been gash really.
I feel sorry for you younger Blues, including my kids. At least over them years we’ve had players who would battle and scrap, this lot couldn’t win an argument.
They, along with the board and management, have managed to knock the enthusiasm out of one the most loyal fan bases there is. I hope they are proud of themselves.
I feel sorry for you younger Blues, including my kids. At least over them years we’ve had players who would battle and scrap, this lot couldn’t win an argument.
They, along with the board and management, have managed to knock the enthusiasm out of one the most loyal fan bases there is. I hope they are proud of themselves.
orly
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Absolute rubbish.
Unreasonable hatred? I don't hate him at all. He's just not good enough to be the Everton manager.
He was an absolutely bang average player. Fine young centre half, christ.
Stan Lee Park
Player Valuation: £20m
When are they miraculously going to start playing to their potential?
Who do you think has this potential? I have seen no potential at all this season.
And don't label my point of view as ridiculous. It's a point of view.
BernieWright13
Player Valuation: £15m
Yes. Without any doubt.
And at this rate, the board will find themselves on all fours in front of fat Sam by Xmas.
The decline is incredible.
And at this rate, the board will find themselves on all fours in front of fat Sam by Xmas.
The decline is incredible.
trueblue10
Player Valuation: £8m
On what basis do you think we can improve?
I'd take fat Sam tomorrow over all the other candidates. He may not be fashionable but if I had to choose anybody to give us a chance
of getting out of this mess it would be him.
I think last night was a wake up call, we are in a mess.
A bit less stridency and a willingness to accept other people having a different opinion to yourself would go a long way, orly.
Just dismissing the other fellow's POV as being "absolute rubbish" ain't cool and totally negates owt you say afterwards.
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I think a big problem as well is the refusal from a large chunk of the fan base to accept that we're in trouble
So many people are still proclaiming we're not in a relegation dog fight
Until we accept our predicament we can't really tackle it
orly
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Doesn't negate what I say afterwards at all 'Khal'.
To say Unsworth was a fine young centre half, 'quality', is simply wrong. He wasn't. He barely played until Royle joined and, while that side will always be remembered for a great FA Cup win, it was a poor side overall.
Unsworth played once for England in an era when the side was on its knees. They'd not qualified in 94(?) had the home nation bounce in 96, and were abysmal in 98, 2000, and 2002. This "fine young centre half" and left back (Lol) got nowhere near it.
Moyes phased him out pretty quickly (interestingly, just after we'd finished, er, 17th).
It's not stridency, it's simply holding people accountable when the blue mist clouds the judgement. It's this sort of rot the club was trying to wallow in after our 'heartening Cup exit' to Chelsea as a reason to hire 'Unsy' (now DU in club missives, by the way) and he's paid them back by 6 of the worst performances I've seen them produce in many a year.
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