Farhad Moshiri

[GwladysBlue]

Both wanted to leave, and wouldn't have signed new deals.

They both had 2+ years on their contract. Had we of invested in the team whilst they were here, we could have been a CL club by now and they may not have wanted to leave.

Obviously, them two players seen trough all the guff we were being told.

The whole bird are a disgrace. Absolute amateur hour at this club.

 

[GwladysBlue]

See what you saying mate. Who do you think would suit us better at this point and in our current plight?

If we have the money, I'd be giving Tuchel or Ancelotti whatever they wanted.

IF we want to progress, we need to be appointing high-profile managers.

I'd never have had Fat Sam or Dyche when Moyes left in 2013, never mind in 2017 when we're meant to have moved on as a club.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

They both had 2+ years on their contract. Had we of invested in the team whilst they were here, we could have been a CL club by now and they may not have wanted to leave.

Obviously, them two players seen trough all the guff we were being told.

The whole bird are a disgrace. Absolute amateur hour at this club.

What utter crap. Martinez had us 11th 2 years running, and Stones wanted CL football and had been promised he could go if he gave us another year, when Chelsea came in for him the year prior.

Koeman got us back to 7th, but again Lukaku wanted bigger and better things and clearly said that staying with us for another season 'wasn't an option'

Blaming Moshiri for those 2 moving on is bobbins

 

[Chestnut]

We weren't even a million miles off last season, 7th place with a pot of £150m to make up 10 points.

Far too simple a way of looking at it I think. Surely you'd have to factor in the deduction of £75-90 million worth of talent from the 7th placed team as well no?

 

[davek]

Yeah and when I go into Tesco's and my favorite baked beans are not on the shelf because someone forgot to put them out, I hold the CEO fully responsible and want him to come down and stack the shelves himself the inept fool.

I see your point Dave.

Yeah, because that's exactly the same.

 

[GwladysBlue]

What utter crap. Martinez had us 11th 2 years running, and Stones wanted CL football and had been promised he could go if he gave us another year, when Chelsea came in for him the year prior.

Koeman got us back to 7th, but again Lukaku wanted bigger and better things and clearly said that staying with us for another season 'wasn't an option'

Blaming Moshiri for those 2 moving on is bobbins

We promised a player he could go? Are we that much a drag to be at that we have to promise a player they can escape the sinking ship when they still have years to run on their contract?

Same goes to Lukaku. We could have sat him down and said "are we not an option? Your 2 remaining years say otherwise".

See: Liverpool, Arsenal and Southampton for how to reject players trying to force moves.

I think it is you that is talking utter bollocks here.

All that says to me is that we have no desire to be competing with the teams above. How can we expect to progress if our best players are going to teams above us in the table?

 

[Bob Elstone]

He's selling to buy pretty much so let's not pretend he's investing loads.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We promised a player he could go? Are we that much a drag to be at that we have to promise a player they can escape the sinking ship when they still have years to run on their contract?

Same goes to Lukaku. We could have sat him down and said "are we not an option? Your 2 remaining years say otherwise".

See: Liverpool, Arsenal and Southampton for how to reject players trying to force moves.

I think it is you that is talking utter bollocks here.

All that says to me is that we have no desire to be competing with the teams above. How can we expect to progress if our best players are going to teams above us in the table?

The RS did the same with Suarez, they've reportedly done the same again with Coutinho.

Naive nonsense

 

[jinkyali]

The RS did the same with Suarez, they've reportedly done the same again with Coutinho.

Naive nonsense

Man Utd did it with Ronaldo.

Happens all the time.

 

[Stutheblue]

If we have the money, I'd be giving Tuchel or Ancelotti whatever they wanted.

IF we want to progress, we need to be appointing high-profile managers.

I'd never have had Fat Sam or Dyche when Moyes left in 2013, never mind in 2017 when we're meant to have moved on as a club.

If I'm honest I'm not sure about Tuchel. That said, I don't know much about him or what he's done to be fair to him. Ancelotti? Yes please! Just don't see him coming here though. But if you don't ask you don't get I suppose. Doesn't appear to be in the frame does he? Maybe there's your answer on our current ambitions.

 

[Caolam]

I have no reason to think this, but think it I do. Moshiri came to Everton to build a club, he brought in Koeman, at considerable expense, and he failed.
I think there is a power struggle going on at the club between him and Kenwright, the latter wants a safe pair of hands, who will bring us back to mid-table mediocrity but safety while Mosh wants to press on.
If we get Dyche or Big Sam or even Moyes then Kenwright will have won and Mosh will be on his way. Hopefully we will see a manager with a winning mentality and some more money for a centre forward and a centre half.
The Panorama programme is a worry, not just for Mosh but for the whole, surely the due diligence we carried out was to prevent this sort of thing happening.
Maybe it might be the jolt Mosh's mate needs to sell his Arsenal holding and throw his lot in with us.

 

[Toffeelover]

Moshiri has taken us to the bottom of the league courtesy of his nightmare managerial appointment; wrecked our footballing credibility; allowed the precious resources of Stones and Lukaku's windfall to be wasted; employed a DoF who's not a director of football; and now he'll be revealed as the puppet of an Uzbek *businessman* and drag the club's name through the gutter in front of a national and international audience.


Is there any real debate to be had here regarding Moshiri's toxicity for Everton football club?

He has been a disaster. He's been here 18 months and we are on the canvas. He's been the worst possible choice to take over the reins of this club that you could care to make. Just as Koeman was never a fit for Everton, neither is Moshiri. He's an alien force here and he needs expelling.

I can understand where you are coming from Dave but I do not agree with the red card scenario on Moshiri. If he had not come in, ask yourself in what state would we have been in now? There would be still debt to be paid off, absolutely no sniff of a new stadium, Lukaku and Stones would still have been gone, who would be the manager now, how would GP have been brought upto standard and capacity increased. We would have been destined to be a mid table club for evermore. Completely overshadowed by our neighbours for years.

Ignoring your rant about Moshiri, you would have still been ranting about BK without putting forward any solution with regards to a new owner to lift us. On the field it has been a mess but the club is not in a mess apart from that. The playing field mess for me the finger pints squarely at Koeman, none of the players signed would heave been taken on board without his say so no matter what speculation comes up from other posters.

 

[Khalekan]

How can you blame Moshiri for bringing in a top rated manager like Koeman, is it Moshiri's fault that he failed ? Was Koeman not given the money and resource to succeed ? Dave was Moshiri supposed to see into the future when he chose Koeman and Walsh to manage Everton, no and neither you nor I or anyone else could foresee the [Poor language removed] storm that followed. As I recall most Evertonians including myself were pretty happy with the appointment of both Koeman and Walsh, who honestly could say at the start of the season this would happen, as far as I could see he done right to sack Martinez and done right, at the time to appoint Koeman, then a top line, respected manager. As for Usmanov I don't recall supporters moaning when he sponsored Finch Farm and yes everyone and his dog knew about his relationship with Moshiri, again few Everton supporters complained as we had a new rich owner. It's okay in hindsight to blame who you like, but I see a man who unlike our previous owner has give us hope, ploughed money into the club and is trying to give us the waterfront stadium we've always desired.

I disagree there, with that part.

Koeman in not, never has been and IMO never will be a “top rated manager”.

That is why he was a 50 year old + man lingering at Saints until we spent what most on here said at the time was a preposterous amount of money to secure his signature.

And I blame Moshiri for that.....heaven knows what made him become obsessed with signing up a bang average manager on an obscene salary.

The buck stops with Mosh for that one, I’m afraid

 

[Toffeelover]

They both had 2+ years on their contract. Had we of invested in the team whilst they were here, we could have been a CL club by now and they may not have wanted to leave.

Obviously, them two players seen trough all the guff we were being told.

The whole bird are a disgrace. Absolute amateur hour at this club.

With what money?, Pure imaginings Friend.

 

[GwladysBlue]

The RS did the same with Suarez, they've reportedly done the same again with Coutinho.

Naive nonsense

Ha, they nearly won the league but for Slippy G by keeping Suarez.

I suppose it comes down to what you expect from your club. I expect the best, you settle for the scraps. Our board deserve fans like yourself.