Sunday atmosphere

[Saint Domingo]

The atmosphere at Goodison has been embarrassingly bad for years.

And the abuse that the players receive can't do much for their morale. In a way I don't blame John Stones et al for leaving.

As fans we are one of the causes of the club's current malaise rather than a solution to.

Tbh I never thought it was bad under Moyes for the majority of his tenure (Wigan in final season) probably as bad as it got. I never really heard chants against the manager or any players being abused (Fellaini v Wigan only one I can remember). Even in bad patches you felt the team and manager were trying so the fans were behind them. When you watch Koeman standing there not arsed and his players being not arsed then that brings out a very different reaction. You can’t support players or managers that aren’t really bothered whether you support them or not.

 

[blue61]

An early goal and a 'Neville on Ronaldo' tackle would be the ideal start.

 

[JJK]

Creating an atmosphere doesn’t seem to help this gang of cowards much anyway. After Williams scored against Lyon, Goodison was bouncing.

 

[stanleypark]

That's one game mate! It was also a night match which is always different. We played Coventry around the same time and the fans weren't up for it at all. Nothing's changed about the fans, they'll be mad for it if they want/need to be and not if they don't think that's the case - it's been like that ever since I first went.

I was in the Park End that match against Coventry iirc was Dion Dublin playing for them? Most matches that season I was in the Gwladys Street, the days when you didn't bother with a season ticket and just paid on the gate. Got bit come the Semi's though and had to sleep overnight. Anyway each game I was in the Gwladys Street the noise would build up way before kick off and would be sustained throughout, of course there'd be peaks and troughs during the match, but there was more support in the dullest of games than in some of the big games today.

 

[GwladysBlue]

If the fans are so important to getting wins at home, etc, then I think we should start getting paid to actually GO the game.

We shouldn't expect these millionaires to do a job they get paid handsomely for without encouragement from the fans at the ground who some are having to use a chunk of their monthly wages to actually afford to go to the game.

Low on confidence? They're an embarrassment to this club.

Can anyone on here honestly say that everyone of them players is giving all they have out on that pitch?

Use this horrible period in our history as a time to gut the absolute cowards and failures out of the club, including boardroom level.

 

[jinkyali]

If the fans are so important to getting wins at home, etc, then I think we should start getting paid to actually GO the game.

We shouldn't expect these millionaires to do a job they get paid handsomely for without encouragement from the fans at the ground who some are having to use a chunk of their monthly wages to actually afford to go to the game.

Low on confidence? They're an embarrassment to this club.

Can anyone on here honestly say that everyone of them players is giving all they have out on that pitch?

Use this horrible period in our history as a time to gut the absolute cowards and failures out of the club, including boardroom level.

Money doesnt and shouldnt come into it.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

It needs to be loud, an angry Goodison is brilliant to be in, and intimidating for the oppo, don't see it as shouting for the spineless players if you want, it's still our club after all these bells have took their money and moved on

 

[Cels]

Said it before on here and I'm saying it again. Being supportive is easy when all is well. The time support is needed most is when things are going belly up. How many times have you heard of someone calling a friend or a loved one and saying "I really need your help. Life is brilliant for me right now, and everything is going my way"?

Remember, this will David Unsworths' first home game out of the four he's taken charge of. It would a shame if anything he tried to get the team to do was undermined by groans, boos, and abuse directed at the players. If you can't be part of the solution... then K'off

 

[stanleypark]

Because we were crap, but shown effort. There was no denying the lads were trying.

It's not about the fact we're losing; it's about the fact that everything about the performances aren't worth applauding and thus encouraging. They aren't similar scenarios.

If Everton fly out the blocks against Watford, the fans will support them. If we ultimately lose, the fans will applaud the effort regardless. If they come out of that dressing room and amble around like disinterested amateurs for 90 minutes, they will get a rollicking from the crowd and rightly so. Not a hard concept to grasp. If that's being a "Sky bellend" then I'm happily a "Sky bellend", as it is 100% the right approach to have.

Applauding and encouraging are different though?

It's one thing having a go at them when the contest is over, even if the match isn't, or having a go when you think don't make an effort, but generally that's deep into the match before that assessment can be made.

However it's another thing if fans want to give support and encouragement to the players and/or the team up to the point where there's no return for the team. If you think that it is acceptable to accuse fans of "happy clapping" for wanting to give that support then yes you are a Sky bellend.

 

[Tubey]

Applauding and encouraging are different though?

It's one thing having a go at them when the contest is over, even if the match isn't, or having a go when you think don't make an effort, but generally that's deep into the match before that assessment can be made.

However it's another thing if fans want to give support and encouragement to the players and/or the team up to the point where there's no return for the team. If you think that it is acceptable to accuse fans of "happy clapping" for wanting to give that support then yes you are a Sky bellend.

Football is reactive. It's a sport as well as a form of entertainment. The fans are supposed to react to what they see. Because they aren't lobotomised ffs.

It really is a two way street and the onus is on the team to give the fans something to shout about. That's the part you are completely missing here - you can't expect fans to be applause machine robots. You can't tell them to cheer mindlessly; they're going to react to what is in front of them, and well they should.

If you really think the fans should turn up to the game and proper roar on mediocrity to help the fragile little minds of millionaire footballers, you're not living in the real world. The fans actually care about what's going on on the pitch too much to be able to switch off their brains and do that.

What you can expect is that even if we're 3-0 down at half time, if the team shows a bit of fight, bottle or quality on the pitch, the fans will react positively to that. Because they are then given something to encourage.

 

[Sir Alan]

It needs to be loud, an angry Goodison is brilliant to be in, and intimidating for the oppo, don't see it as shouting for the spineless players if you want, it's still our club after all these bells have took their money and moved on

Exactly

 

[Joey66]

TBF I was hopeful last night when at half time it was 0-0 - then in the 2nd half we really looked full of confidence and rattled them Guye should have scored early on in the 2nd half - then as per usual one goes in and we completely folded - so v watford I dont mind a bit of consolidating football and that vital first goal a win would be a booster for our club!

 

[BigDuncis Blue]

Said it before on here and I'm saying it again. Being supportive is easy when all is well. The time support is needed most is when things are going belly up. How many times have you heard of someone calling a friend or a loved one and saying "I really need your help. Life is brilliant for me right now, and everything is going my way"?

Remember, this will David Unsworths' first home game out of the four he's taken charge of. It would a shame if anything he tried to get the team to do was undermined by groans, boos, and abuse directed at the players. If you can't be part of the solution... then K'off

I like this thinking....its easy to boo, but what does it actually achieve, we are in a desperate position at the moment, but strange things can happen after a couple of wins and a bit of self confidence

 

[stanleypark]

Football is reactive. It's a sport as well as a form of entertainment. The fans are supposed to react to what they see. Because they aren't lobotomised ffs.

It really is a two way street and the onus is on the team to give the fans something to shout about. That's the part you are completely missing here - you can't expect fans to be applause machine robots. You can't tell them to cheer mindlessly; they're going to react to what is in front of them, and well they should.

If you really think the fans should turn up to the game and proper roar on mediocrity to help the fragile little minds of millionaire footballers, you're not living in the real world. The fans actually care about what's going on on the pitch too much to be able to switch off their brains and do that.

What you can expect is that even if we're 3-0 down at half time, if the team shows a bit of fight, bottle or quality on the pitch, the fans will react positively to that. Because they are then given something to encourage.

It's not for you to say how fans are supposed to be? It may be reactive to you but it doesn't mean it has to be that way for everyone does it? If I think they need a lift then I'm not going to wait for a tackle that comes every 2 years before giving them support. I'll do the only thing you probably can as a supporter and maybe start a chant off or something. I could argue that sitting waiting for something that may never come (a tackle) is mindless.

Again support and encouragement is not applause and cheering.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

Football is reactive. It's a sport as well as a form of entertainment. The fans are supposed to react to what they see. Because they aren't lobotomised ffs.

It really is a two way street and the onus is on the team to give the fans something to shout about. That's the part you are completely missing here - you can't expect fans to be applause machine robots. You can't tell them to cheer mindlessly; they're going to react to what is in front of them, and well they should.

If you really think the fans should turn up to the game and proper roar on mediocrity to help the fragile little minds of millionaire footballers, you're not living in the real world. The fans actually care about what's going on on the pitch too much to be able to switch off their brains and do that.

What you can expect is that even if we're 3-0 down at half time, if the team shows a bit of fight, bottle or quality on the pitch, the fans will react positively to that. Because they are then given something to encourage.

Great post.