Scottish football

[Cork Evertonian]

Everybody's did! But it was only a matter of time anyway.

Graeme Souness was right in what he said yesterday. Whatever their crimes, dumping Rangers ruined Scottish football in the eyes of the world.

I still think they should keep Caixinha.He seems to be a nice enough guy.Besides im not sure can a new manager get anymore out of that squad.How can you pull up your socks, if you ain't got any in the first place?Rangers have a broke owner that's the reality.So the problems at Ibrox go beyond the managers office.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I will always maintain that Rangers going down to the 4th tier was a good thing for the game

Look at how many teams won trophies who perhaps wouldn't have

Ross County, Inverness, St Johnstone, St Mirren and Hibs all won cups during that period, as teams like Falkirk regularly reached the latter stages of the cups

There was also the rise of Aberdeen to enjoy, along with the rejuvenation of Hearts under the fan ownership scheme

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I will always maintain that Rangers going down to the 4th tier was a good thing for the game

Look at how many teams won trophies who perhaps wouldn't have

Ross County, Inverness, St Johnstone, St Mirren and Hibs all won cups during that period, as teams like Falkirk regularly reached the latter stages of the cups

There was also the rise of Aberdeen to enjoy, along with the rejuvenation of Hearts under the fan ownership scheme

Oh Mikey you funny man.I have a feeling you wouldn't be saying that if Celtic were sent down to the bottom tier!Of course Scottish football needs a strong Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs etc.But it needs a strong Rangers as well.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Oh Mikey you funny man.I have a feeling you wouldn't be saying that if Celtic were sent down to the bottom tier!

I 100% would be saying it mate

I don't pretend to know what you think, please afford me the same courtesy

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I 100% would be saying it mate

I don't pretend to know what you think, please afford me the same courtesy

I just find your argument a bit flawed.I just think what happened to Rangers was the equivalent of sending Barcelona down to the bottom tier.Of course all those other clubs you mentioned had their moments in the sun.But i think even if you just look at this from a neutral perspective, it still would have been better for Scottish football, if those clubs you mentioned were achieving success in the context of a strong Rangers and Celtic.I accept the point that Rangers problems were self inflicted, but it was like sending Manchester United down to League Two.It completely altered the landscape of Scottish football.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I just find your argument a bit flawed.I just think what happened to Rangers was the equivalent of sending Barcelona down to the bottom tier.Of course all those other clubs you mentioned had their moments in the sun.But i think even if you just look at this from a neutral perspective, it still would have been better for Scottish football, if those clubs you mentioned were achieving success in the context of a strong Rangers and Celtic.I accept the point that Rangers problems were self inflicted, but it was like sending Manchester United down to League Two.It completely altered the landscape of Scottish football.

Rangers being gone gave those clubs a chance, and a chance they wouldn't have got if the status quo had remained

Look at Aberdeen now. That would have never happened if both Old Firm powers were firing both cylinders

Even Dundee United were knocking on the doors for a bit there until Celtic gutted them by taking their best players

We heard all sorts of horror stories when Rangers went down about how it would be the death of the game in Scotland etc, and it was anything but

Indeed, for quite a few clubs attendances even went up during the period

Old Firm fans don't like to hear it, but the rest of us had had enough. Yeah, an Old Firm game is a good watch, but the toxic circus surrounding it had gone too far. Some time apart was a good thing for the game, even if it wasn't for the Rangers and Celtic fans

Souness barely follows the Scottish game any more. When he's asked about other clubs he doesn't have a clue. Those that follow it more closely can see what the benefits were

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Rangers being gone gave those clubs a chance, and a chance they wouldn't have got if the status quo had remained

Look at Aberdeen now. That would have never happened if both Old Firm powers were firing both cylinders

Even Dundee United were knocking on the doors for a bit there until Celtic gutted them by taking their best players

We heard all sorts of horror stories when Rangers went down about how it would be the death of the game in Scotland etc, and it was anything but

Indeed, for quite a few clubs attendances even went up during the period

Old Firm fans don't like to hear it, but the rest of us had had enough. Yeah, an Old Firm game is a good watch, but the toxic circus surrounding it had gone too far. Some time apart was a good thing for the game, even if it wasn't for the Rangers and Celtic fans

Well Mikey i have to respectfully disagree with everything you said.I do understand about the smaller/weaker clubs getting stronger.But you don't make the smaller clubs stronger by weakening their bigger and stronger competitors, and throwing a club like Rangers into the gutter.There is a food chain in football, that should only be disturbed by merit on the pitch.Not by men in blazers in backrooms.I do understand that the old firm derby can get out of hand at times.But that bit of needle, that tribal tension.That is a core ingredient of football.As i say you wouldn't throw Barcelona into the bottom tier, just because people are sick of the rivalry between themselves and Real Madrid.Again i have to just respectfully disagree with the points you made.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Well Mikey i have to respectfully disagree with everything you said.I do understand about the smaller/weaker clubs getting stronger.But you don't make the smaller clubs stronger by weakening their bigger and stronger competitors, and throwing a club like Rangers into the gutter.There is a food chain in football, that should only be disturbed by merit on the pitch.Not by men in blazers in backrooms.I do understand that the old firm derby can get out of hand at times.But that bit of needle, that tribal tension.That is a core ingredient of football.As i say you wouldn't throw Barcelona into the bottom tier, just because people are sick of the rivalry between themselves and Real Madrid.Again i have to just respectfully disagree with the points you made.

Rangers weren't thrown in the gutter

David Murray mismanaged them so badly that they went into liquidation, and misused the EBT scheme to ensure they kept winning despite plunging themselves into further and further debt. The merit of their wins for large swathes of the golden period can be severely questioned. And I'd be saying the exact same if Celtic had been using the same tactics

If he'd kept the club within it's means then it wouldn't have been liquidated, and the other teams in the league would have had a more even playing field upon which to challenge the Old Firm. They probably would have still won quite a few trophies anyway, because they're a big club. They wouldn't have dominated as they did, but they would have surely been fine. But he got greedy and it eventually caught up to him

Once liquidated they had to reapply to rejoin the football league, hence why they started in League Two

The "men in blazers" would have put them straight back into the Premier Division if they'd had their way

Rangers downfall was self inflicted and what followed was the correct procedure

Hopefully it remains a cautionary tale for future generations so Scottish Football never gets like that again. Don't spend money you don't have

This is what annoys me about Celtic supporters crowing as well. They act morally superior now because the club was financially prudent back then in comparison, but conspicuously ignore all the flak they gave Fergus McCann back in the day for instigating that same prudence. They wanted money spent, even though it could have ended them up in the same situation

20/20 hindsight and all that

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Rangers weren't thrown in the gutter

David Murray mismanaged them so badly that they went into liquidation, and misused the EBT scheme to ensure they kept winning despite plunging themselves into further and further debt. The merit of their wins for large swathes of the golden period can be severely questioned. And I'd be saying the exact same if Celtic had been using the same tactics

If he'd kept the club within it's means then it wouldn't have been liquidated, and the other teams in the league would have had a more even playing field upon which to challenge the Old Firm. They probably would have still won quite a few trophies anyway, because they're a big club. They wouldn't have dominated as they did, but they would have surely been fine. But he got greedy and it eventually caught up to him

Once liquidated they had to reapply to rejoin the football league, hence why they started in League Two

The "men in blazers" would have put them straight back into the Premier Division if they'd had their way

Rangers downfall was self inflicted and what followed was the correct procedure

Hopefully it remains a cautionary tale for future generations so Scottish Football never gets like that again. Don't spend money you don't have

This is what annoys me about Celtic supporters crowing as well. They act morally superior now because the club was financially prudent back then in comparison, but conspicuously ignore all the flak they gave Fergus McCann back in the day for instigating that same prudence. They wanted money spent, even though it could have ended them up in the same situation

20/20 hindsight and all that

I don't know two great Rangers men and two great footballing men, Walter Smith and Sandy Jardine spoke about the wrong that was committed against Rangers.As for the merits of Rangers league wins during the murray years being severely questioned, i would again have to respectfully disagree with that notion.Now if referees were being bribed that would be another story.But those league titles are still on Rangers record.Rangers were not stripped of them.So as far as im concerned those league titles Rangers won are fully legit.

 

[Brendan Janus]

48,000 at Ibrox last night, but looks as though the manager is about to be tin tacked !!

 

[centralTon]

Caixinha sacked. Ex-Morton legend Derek McInnes favourite for the job.

 

[Walken]

Caixinha sacked. Ex-Morton legend Derek McInnes favourite for the job.

Used to a solid defensive mud job for me on champ man, especially at a championship club

 

[Connor]

Caixinha sacked. Sad.

The dogs no longer bark, the caravan has crashed.

 

[gonetomorrow]

I think Gers should go for Ray McKinnon, lat of Dundee United. He's a decent Scots coach who would thrive on the chance to build a team of some quality, which he didn't have at Tannadice.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Pedro is a good guy.I wish him all the best.Whoever Rangers go for next.It should be someone with experience of managing in Scotland.