Ronald Koeman discussion

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Koeman won’t get sacked unless until after Xmas in my opinion and only if we are in the bottom five then

Why won’t he? We have zero ambition and therefore as long as we stay in the league the board are happy

Also doubt we are willing to pay the compensation. Money is all that matters to the club hence selling our best players every year

About time some of you woke up. Open your eyes
 

d4kyxx said:
Koeman won’t get sacked unless until after Xmas in my opinion and only if we are in the bottom five then

Why won’t he? We have zero ambition and therefore as long as we stay in the league the board are happy

Also doubt we are willing to pay the compensation. Money is all that matters to the club hence selling our best players every year

About time some of you woke up. Open your eyes
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The big fallacy with that is we sold all of our salable assets. Barkley is nominal if anything. We have nothing left to sell to make money because we bought MOST of our players in the last 3 windows at a highly inflated valuation.
 
faddy the blue said:
I can understand the logic behind sacking managers if you're convinced you have a better option lined up and have a better plan short term and long term to succeed. I honestly don't see how sacking a manager is always better for the club.

Take a look at Leicester, won the title, got to CL then their struggles were on the cards just like we did in CL under Moyes. So they go ahead and sack the man who got them their cos they wanted to look like some "big shot" ambitious club. Who did they go for? Oh yeah Craig Shakspear! The man they thought would be better cos he knows the club. They gave him money to spend and still they are lying in bottom 3. One of their big signings, Adrien Silva is in a limbo and I'm sure their fans would blame Shakspear for that too. Now they have sacked the manager who they gave a permanent deal in June to again look like "ambitious". Can someone tell me how sacking a manager like Ranieri and replacing him with Shakspear was ambitious? And their fans will be happy to see the club sack the manager. Cos that's what modern fans want. Just sack the bloody idiot and we'll be alright. Who will they now get in? Allardyce maybe? And how far can anyone else take them? Maximum 11th or 10th I bet. Is that ambitious enough for them? Or do they think they automatically deserve to be among the top 8 cos they won the title by some heavenly intervention a couple of years ago? If they just wanna avoid relegation and be around 10th then the same feat they can achieve by going on a 3 or 4 match unbeaten streak and pick up some form eventually. But no, modern fans want to call for the head without digging in with the team in tough times.

Going by that logic, thinking about replacing Koeman with Unsworth is suicidal. I bet he will be gone within the 6 months of his tenure. All his reputation with U23 will be tarnished cos the man has 0 experience managing a 40k stadium, players on huge salaries and transfer fees and keeping up with the PL pressure. Point is, impulsive sackings are not always for the BETTER. If you want to sack a manager, give him reasonable amount of time and then when you do, be 100% sure about the man you want to bring in, back him 100% for a certain period of time (not 4 months or 6 months) to see if he can deliver. And while doing that, the board and DoF which generally hide behind the curtains in tough times need to take some responsibility.
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Sacking your manager isn't always better for the club, obviously. Just as keeping the same man in place indefinitely isn't always the answer. It's about making a judgement on whether you would be better sticking or twisting.

I think we need to be fair to Leicester here and say they didn't fire Ranieri and replace him with an internal candidate in order to look big time. They sacked him because they had won only 2 of their last 15 league games, and had lost 6 on the bounce without even scoring a goal. If any manager survives that sort of run they would have to admit to being very, very lucky. While I get what you're saying, the truth is, sacking worked for Leicester - both in the sense that Pearson would almost certainly not have won them the league, and the sense that they looked almost certain to get relegated at the time they sacked Ranieri. As I say, no goals for 6 games and suddenly they score 3 next time out and go on a 5 game winning streak. No way that's a coincidence.

Hiring and firing regularly is not ideal, and its not a long term plan, but is Koeman a long term plan anyway? Can we really see him staying later than the end of next season? If not, how disruptive could it be to get rid now? It's not like the Moyes and Martinez appointments when we were hoping for an 'era', this was always short term, so why not make it shorter.
 
d4kyxx said:
Koeman won’t get sacked unless until after Xmas in my opinion and only if we are in the bottom five then

Why won’t he? We have zero ambition and therefore as long as we stay in the league the board are happy

Also doubt we are willing to pay the compensation. Money is all that matters to the club hence selling our best players every year

About time some of you woke up. Open your eyes
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Is this the same way you said we wouldn't spend more than we received? Yet we smashed that completely wrong notion to the tune of £40m+
 
One of my mates who is a City fan has just text me to say that RonKo has turned up with his entourage to have dinner in the Chairman’s Lounge Restaurant at the Etihad.

Probably taking tips on how to defend, score, keep possession, hold shape, be positive, create chances, make options and all the other things we fail to do.
 

Think if we lose the next 3 ( out of 2 comps ) matches....axe will fall , even if Moshiri et al are hoping to give him more time.
Pressure is ratcheting up..... Unsy as caretaker is my bet
 

Rudolf Hucker said:
Just worries me that Moshiri doesn’t see it!

Why wait till we’re out?
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It's obvious that the board are not as trigger happy as us fans. Sacking Koeman will be an expensive exercise which is why I believe they haven't pushed him overboard yet.

From a business point of view an early exit from the Europa will not rest easy on Moshiri and Billy.

We shall see, but it wouldn't surprise me if they sacked him straight after the game on Thursday. I expect to see Moshiri in the directors box.
 
If in 8 days times we are effectively out of Europe and Chelsea knock us out of the League Cup, I'd be very disappointed if he is still manager.
 
As we're still sell 2 buy then obviously its gonna have to be sell 2 sack. So looks like January when the windows open ? Strange to think that one of moonheads flops will be funding his golden handshake, hopefully !!!
p.s. "never a truer word said in jest"
 
Lanolin said:
Sacking your manager isn't always better for the club, obviously. Just as keeping the same man in place indefinitely isn't always the answer. It's about making a judgement on whether you would be better sticking or twisting.

I think we need to be fair to Leicester here and say they didn't fire Ranieri and replace him with an internal candidate in order to look big time. They sacked him because they had won only 2 of their last 15 league games, and had lost 6 on the bounce without even scoring a goal. If any manager survives that sort of run they would have to admit to being very, very lucky. While I get what you're saying, the truth is, sacking worked for Leicester - both in the sense that Pearson would almost certainly not have won them the league, and the sense that they looked almost certain to get relegated at the time they sacked Ranieri. As I say, no goals for 6 games and suddenly they score 3 next time out and go on a 5 game winning streak. No way that's a coincidence.

Hiring and firing regularly is not ideal, and its not a long term plan, but is Koeman a long term plan anyway? Can we really see him staying later than the end of next season? If not, how disruptive could it be to get rid now? It's not like the Moyes and Martinez appointments when we were hoping for an 'era', this was always short term, so why not make it shorter.
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I see your point too. But then the board needs to give him about 10M in compensation and so many signings he made would probably be shipped off in huge losses within the next year or so too.

Now are we in a position to be able to afford such losses and still spend big? Considering the stadium deal in mind. We don't even have a player like Lukaku or Stones who we can demand 50M + for.

The problem for us is Koeman's tactics and team selection combined with not replacing Lukaku. If the board feels that they along with Walshy boy are guilty for letting down Koeman there which is hampering our final third, then they might give him till this season is over while they acutely judge Koeman overall.

If we had Giroud in then we'd have won vs Limassol (that header chance DCL had at the end) and some other chances in the 5 yard box would have been finished off too.
 

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