Ronald Koeman discussion

Armaghtoffee · October 7, 2017

Eggs said:
..it’s a really good question. For me, I want to see signs that there’s something there. Results would be good, but just a few signs isn’t asking much.

Do you expect to see signs of improvement?

Steve Wigan · October 7, 2017

scratchnsurf said:
Which stage was waste loads of money and play like a bunch of blind donkeys who have never met before?

Half of them hadn't met before.....we have some good players....that's part of the mystery regarding performances...but RK is still doing the job the owner has asked him to do....he's not even halfway to completion yet........

billyblue80 · October 7, 2017

Mirror chatting that he has till the end of October to turn it around, it's the Mirror though they aren't the greatest source

Khalekan · October 8, 2017

billyblue80 said:
Mirror chatting that he has till the end of October to turn it around, it's the Mirror though they aren't the greatest source

They read it on here.

Either things improve on the pitch or he is gone at the next International break.

Fansince1988 · October 8, 2017

mellowblue said:
Ya want us to lose ?? Off you F !!

Just bare in mind if he wins a few games, he will stay longer and ultimately that will mean poor football with a lot more defeats, these bad times will keep recurring if he stays. THATS WHY I SAID THE BIGGER PICTURE.

Fansince1988 · October 8, 2017

LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
No chance it would be better if we lost the next couple of games mate, at the end of the day Koeman gets on my tits big style, I can't even listen to him being interviewed anymore, but putting all that aside I want him to succeed with us, turn us into the type of team we all want to see.

I was willing to give Martinez a fair crack of the whip, so IMO Koeman should be given till at least Christmas to turn it around (if things are still as crap, then turf him out on his arse) and if he does, then he has the January transfer window to kick us on.

Your a Patient man, IMO he will never succeed here sooner he's gone the better.

nsno-chris · October 8, 2017

Fansince1988 said:
To benefit the club and look at the bigger picture would we be better off losing out next 2 games? I no it's a controversial thing to say, but that would surely bring the end to Koemans reign and would take us back to a level we could start to build again. The way Moyes had to work kept us on the same level for years which was ok to a degree, but after him it was meant to be a new start to make us great again, Moshiri came things were looking bright but now a few years with Martinez and Koeman, I feel we are at a lower level than when Moyes was here and to make it worse on paper we are suppose to have better players.But the key thing for me here us to get Koeman out, it should have been done after the burley game.

scratchnsurf · October 8, 2017

Steve Wigan said:
Half of them hadn't met before.....we have some good players....that's part of the mystery regarding performances...but RK is still doing the job the owner has asked him to do....he's not even halfway to completion yet........

Just to be clear here, who is "the owner"?

Fansince1988 · October 8, 2017

ijjysmith said:
No

So your happy to see Koeman stay? You must enjoy having your weekends ruined. I've followed Everton for nearly 30 years and this is the first time I'm starting to lose interest in football, that down to Koeman I'm fed up with us continually failing and playing very boring football, he's had long enough it's about time the owners got proactive and got someone in who is capable of doing the job properly, the last 2 aren't.

Khalekan · October 8, 2017

Steve Wigan said:
Half of them hadn't met before.....we have some good players....that's part of the mystery regarding performances...but RK is still doing the job the owner has asked him to do....he's not even halfway to completion yet........

Well, our present league position notwithstanding, you are most probably right.

I think it is now pretty clear his remit was to keep us competitive in that mini league of fourteen clubs which aspire to nowt more than staying in the EPL.

His big mistake was finishing seventh last season, though.......that brought about participation in the EL and his boss has already wheeled that out as an explanation for this season’s renewal of the annual Koeman Autumn Slump

But once we are relieved of that burden come the end of next month I am sure we will gather enough points to challenge for a respectable upper mid table finish

And Mosh will be one happy hombre :dance:

Well done, Ronald

Fansince1988 · October 8, 2017

nsno-chris said:

I now Koemans bad but that gesture at him is alittle in called for, I would never stoop that low.

Fansince1988 · October 8, 2017

billyblue80 said:
How many games does he have to turn it around?

2 IMO, but after the next 3 he will probably be gone. We may beat Brighton but Arsenal and Lyon I think not.

Khalekan · October 8, 2017

Fansince1988 said:
2 IMO, but after the next 3 he will probably be gone. We may beat Brighton but Arsenal and Lyon I think not.

No way.

He beats Brighton he gets another four games at least.

Why?

Because the three games after that are Lyon, Arsenal and Chelsea......or in Moshiri speak, not “unexpected losses”.

After Brighton, the next crunch game for Koeman is Leicester away, a game we mark in the “unexpected loss” column.

Though if I am honest with you, even at this stage I am struggling to see us winning at either Brighton or the Foxes

Vardy in particular must be relishing the visit of Everton :dance:

Fansince1988 · October 8, 2017

Khalekan said:
No way.

He beats Brighton he gets another four games at least.

Why?

Because the three games after that are Lyon, Arsenal and Chelsea......or in Moshiri speak, not “unexpected losses”.

After Brighton, the next crunch game for Koeman is Leicester away, a game we mark in the “unexpected loss” column.

Though if I am honest with you, even at this stage I am struggling to see us winning at either Brighton or the Foxes

Vardy in particular must be relishing the visit of Everton

You have a good point, but surely we cant keep going from a couple of winnable game then to expected to lose game. What sort of encouragement is that putting in the players heads?. The expected to lose game we have already played we have been awful in, as if the players or manager weren't trying at least in Moyes days they looked to be putting the effort in. My only wish is for Koeman to be gone and start a fresh, but if we lose to Lyon that's us virtually if not out of Europe it's going to be very hard for Koeman after that.

Khalekan · October 8, 2017

Fansince1988 said:
You have a good point, but surely we can keep going from a couple of winnable game then to expected to lose game. What sort of encouragement is that putting in the players heads?. The expected to lose game we have already played we have been awful in, as if the players or manager weren't trying at least in Moyes days they looked to be putting the effort in. My only wish is for Koeman to be gone and start a fresh, but if we lose to Lyon that's us virtually if not out of Europe it's going to be very hard for Koeman after that.

I couldn’t agree more

It is just this “unexpected loss” thing is now like a magnet stuck in my memory and I am judging each game against this standard.

If Moshiri is thinking like this then a win against Brighton will contextualise and validate losses in the next three games.

And I don’t think Moshiri would be much bothered by us going out of Europe or the League Cup any old way.

It is just barking.

And depressing.

But it appears to be where we are at on this October evening