bluestevon
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Telford-Feb-85
Player Valuation: £5m
He's already here.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Cheers for that snowflake
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
To put some defence of the posters in here (and myself) I don't think people woke up and decided Usmanov was coming. Most of what was put was with certain disclaimers. This for the most part if why I can never really understand criticism of other posters, such as The Esk for holding differing views (and on this he has a very different view). If it doesn't happen it doesn't make myself an idiot, just as if it does it doesn't make him an idiot. People interpret information differently and have access to differing amounts of information (in my case none!)
We can't underestimate what Kroenke bidding for Usmanovs shares means though, or indeed the delayed response from Usmanov to this bid. The flurry of discussion was in no small part as a result of this bid. When the picture changes it would be anticipated that people perspectives may develop.
We have been told by those who feel there is no chance it was on the basis of:
1) Usmanov will never have anything to do with any other football club
2) Usmanov will not be allowed to have any involvement with any football club in any kind by governing bodies
3) Kronke has no inventive to buy out Usmanov. In fact he wouldn't want too because it would likely mean strengthening a rival (Everton).
4) No 3rd party having any interest in buying out Usmanov's shares for no involvement at board level of the club.
The reality is the first 2 have been completed disproven by the USM sponsorship meaning he has a direct interest in the club. The 3rd has been disproven by this bid, in that Kroenke would now like to buy Usmanov out.
Most of those sceptical of this seem to be pointing to the 4th point. I am wary of saying this could never happen as 3 of the other 4 things which we've been told would never happen have. It's also true many people invest in a business with no control at board level, and also that Chinese investors have stated this exact point in terms of what they are looking to do strategically. They want to learn how football clubs are run, and feel they are stable and worthwhile investments. This is especially true of the biggest club in the biggest city of one of the worlds biggest franchises. You also have perceived interest from Nigeria's richest man. Add to that the final line of the statement from Usmanov, which was totally unnecessary and in corporate speak is "if you're not Kroenke come and buy me out, and you can see what price I want above" I don't think we can say with any certainty point 4 will never happen.
This process will not happen tomorrow or the day after though. Even if Usmanov accepted the bid it would not be raining tenners this week. We can't spend any money on players until January at the earliest. Given the agreements with LCC, Kenwright, Peel, and the regulations of Uefa if it happens it will be more of a process. You would likely see the outstanding shares bought out and I would hope Moshiri going onto the board, hopefully bulking it up with another 2/3 of his people.
I would say sit tight. The rejection was a set back but it was far from definitive. As someone who sells products and who has written to businesses to tell them we have no intention of selling to them that was not how that statement read. That read like a man who is happy to consider offers of 600 million pounds for his shares, and that if Kroenke wants to buy him out there will likely have to be a premium on top to compensate for the reward of getting complete control of the club. If I was advising Kroenke or a buyer that would be reading of the statement. I would ask Kroenke what his motivations for buying Usmanov out were, if he agrees to the value of 2 billion and how much of a price would he put on having complete control and the problem of Usmanov (or another minority shareholder agitating the fans) is worth to him. There's no guarantee that this figure will match what Usmanov wants, but those are the considerations at play.
As I said previously, the fact point 3 has now been quashed, that Kroenke would want to buy out Usmanov is a major move forward. This is counterposed by the drawback of Usmanov rejecting the bid. The rejection isn't as much of a step back as the Kroenke bid a step forward is though.
We can't underestimate what Kroenke bidding for Usmanovs shares means though, or indeed the delayed response from Usmanov to this bid. The flurry of discussion was in no small part as a result of this bid. When the picture changes it would be anticipated that people perspectives may develop.
We have been told by those who feel there is no chance it was on the basis of:
1) Usmanov will never have anything to do with any other football club
2) Usmanov will not be allowed to have any involvement with any football club in any kind by governing bodies
3) Kronke has no inventive to buy out Usmanov. In fact he wouldn't want too because it would likely mean strengthening a rival (Everton).
4) No 3rd party having any interest in buying out Usmanov's shares for no involvement at board level of the club.
The reality is the first 2 have been completed disproven by the USM sponsorship meaning he has a direct interest in the club. The 3rd has been disproven by this bid, in that Kroenke would now like to buy Usmanov out.
Most of those sceptical of this seem to be pointing to the 4th point. I am wary of saying this could never happen as 3 of the other 4 things which we've been told would never happen have. It's also true many people invest in a business with no control at board level, and also that Chinese investors have stated this exact point in terms of what they are looking to do strategically. They want to learn how football clubs are run, and feel they are stable and worthwhile investments. This is especially true of the biggest club in the biggest city of one of the worlds biggest franchises. You also have perceived interest from Nigeria's richest man. Add to that the final line of the statement from Usmanov, which was totally unnecessary and in corporate speak is "if you're not Kroenke come and buy me out, and you can see what price I want above" I don't think we can say with any certainty point 4 will never happen.
This process will not happen tomorrow or the day after though. Even if Usmanov accepted the bid it would not be raining tenners this week. We can't spend any money on players until January at the earliest. Given the agreements with LCC, Kenwright, Peel, and the regulations of Uefa if it happens it will be more of a process. You would likely see the outstanding shares bought out and I would hope Moshiri going onto the board, hopefully bulking it up with another 2/3 of his people.
I would say sit tight. The rejection was a set back but it was far from definitive. As someone who sells products and who has written to businesses to tell them we have no intention of selling to them that was not how that statement read. That read like a man who is happy to consider offers of 600 million pounds for his shares, and that if Kroenke wants to buy him out there will likely have to be a premium on top to compensate for the reward of getting complete control of the club. If I was advising Kroenke or a buyer that would be reading of the statement. I would ask Kroenke what his motivations for buying Usmanov out were, if he agrees to the value of 2 billion and how much of a price would he put on having complete control and the problem of Usmanov (or another minority shareholder agitating the fans) is worth to him. There's no guarantee that this figure will match what Usmanov wants, but those are the considerations at play.
As I said previously, the fact point 3 has now been quashed, that Kroenke would want to buy out Usmanov is a major move forward. This is counterposed by the drawback of Usmanov rejecting the bid. The rejection isn't as much of a step back as the Kroenke bid a step forward is though.
A very well thought out and beautifully written post
I don’t think anyone can disagree with any of the points you have made there
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
The Prince? He wrote to me asking if he could keep his money in my bank account. Does that mean I can have Everton ?
The Prince? He wrote to me asking if he could keep his money in my bank account. Does that mean I can have Everton ?
Yes Steve just send him your account details
...thought I saw him at the cash point in West Derby. You don’t see many pushing money in.
Achilles Heel
Player Valuation: £950k
CatcherintheRye - good article and I hope your right about the steps being made by AU.
For me, the events of the last 18 months at EFC plus the persistent rumours suggest that Moshiri and Usmanov's plan was to have ownership/influence at 2 big football clubs. The difference is that whilst the Gooners are already there as a recognised force, Everton are in need of 3 major impetuses:
1 - hard cash to improve performance/results - not there yet I know but hopefully not too far away with a few more major signings despite this terrible run of form and performance that we are currently in. Prior to Lukaku leaving we signed players that would have been out of reach before.
2 - A new home linked directly to the cash cow that is Liverpool Waters - vista Liverpool this weekend and the whole area has huge potential. My red uncles are not too happy at all about it. Also drove past Stonebridge cross - so pleased that was not entertained by FM ( a good sign of the ambition & long term plan)
2 - Improvement in image and brand - way off this at the moment but small steps forward including - signing Rooney / media coverage via Sky & other media outlets / Angry Birds / USM FF / Sportpesa - all are gradually improving the brand and marketability of the club. Could a new kit deal be next I wonder?
Farhad Moshiri stated that he and Alisher "...have always done everything together..." before hastily adding "...but not Everton..." earlier in the year. The latter remark he is naturally going to say whilst his business partner continues to hold shares in the Gooners owing to the ownership rules. I can't help thinking though - why after so many years of financial ventures and success together would they change that approach now to a speculative business that generally costs money rather than makes it, unless you are at one of the current footballing super powers - Madrid / Chelsea / Man U / Barca / Munich / City or PSG? Why not have power at 2 clubs and double your chance of TV income/winning in the long term, particularly in the PL?
I think if AU could get control of Arsenal he would buy them immediately, leaving FM up at Everton to continue the work he has started. It would still be a footballing partnership with interest in both clubs. They would have potentially 2 big clubs in the future able to compete against the other 5 clubs with all the dosh. However, if AU is in a state of inertia, unable to influence the Arsenal Board then maybe, just maybe his hand will be forced, he will sell and move to a club with huge potential. ready to make the next step where he will have direct influence and control. Let's face it - he didn't have to buy Moshiri's Arsenal stake - its not like he gained more influence once he did. Much more likely it was an enabling decision to release him for the 'Everton project.' He definitely won't sell to Kroenke I think, but maybe there is somebody else that we are unaware of that he has lined up to replace him. Cannot really him selling to an African billionaire (Dangote) if Arsenal is a club that he does actually care about, at least a bit unless Dangote is in a position to challenge Kroenke directly or he knows Kroenke would sell to Dangote, just not to AU.
There are some posters on here who seem so confident that AU is already here that I am clinging to the hope that he will arrive at some point with the power to inject even more cash, change our profile further and bridge the financial gap that other posters have talked about with excellent assessments and articles. With or without AU though and despite the terrible start the club has had in the PL this season, we are generally in a far better position than we were 2 years ago, aren't we? Even if we had the Sultan of Brunei ( I remember that rumour along with Paul McCartney) FFP would prevent us from doing a City or a PSG. It's gonna take a bit more time but I am hopeful we will get there or at least much, much closer with or without a Russian Oligarch at the helm.
Rumours are that Everton supported the recent push at the PL meeting for the selfish dosh clubs to receive more TV money. If Everton didn't really have ambitions to join them and any confidence that they would be able to do so soon, I am not sure they would be doing that as the gap would just get even wider. They must be pretty confident that we won't be forever playing catch up - we are going to be amongst it soon or even that if there is a breakaway Super League, Everton feel they should be part of it rather than on the outside looking in. Voting alongside the dosh clubs would surely strengthen their case for inclusion - voting against would leave them ostracised.
For me, the events of the last 18 months at EFC plus the persistent rumours suggest that Moshiri and Usmanov's plan was to have ownership/influence at 2 big football clubs. The difference is that whilst the Gooners are already there as a recognised force, Everton are in need of 3 major impetuses:
1 - hard cash to improve performance/results - not there yet I know but hopefully not too far away with a few more major signings despite this terrible run of form and performance that we are currently in. Prior to Lukaku leaving we signed players that would have been out of reach before.
2 - A new home linked directly to the cash cow that is Liverpool Waters - vista Liverpool this weekend and the whole area has huge potential. My red uncles are not too happy at all about it. Also drove past Stonebridge cross - so pleased that was not entertained by FM ( a good sign of the ambition & long term plan)
2 - Improvement in image and brand - way off this at the moment but small steps forward including - signing Rooney / media coverage via Sky & other media outlets / Angry Birds / USM FF / Sportpesa - all are gradually improving the brand and marketability of the club. Could a new kit deal be next I wonder?
Farhad Moshiri stated that he and Alisher "...have always done everything together..." before hastily adding "...but not Everton..." earlier in the year. The latter remark he is naturally going to say whilst his business partner continues to hold shares in the Gooners owing to the ownership rules. I can't help thinking though - why after so many years of financial ventures and success together would they change that approach now to a speculative business that generally costs money rather than makes it, unless you are at one of the current footballing super powers - Madrid / Chelsea / Man U / Barca / Munich / City or PSG? Why not have power at 2 clubs and double your chance of TV income/winning in the long term, particularly in the PL?
I think if AU could get control of Arsenal he would buy them immediately, leaving FM up at Everton to continue the work he has started. It would still be a footballing partnership with interest in both clubs. They would have potentially 2 big clubs in the future able to compete against the other 5 clubs with all the dosh. However, if AU is in a state of inertia, unable to influence the Arsenal Board then maybe, just maybe his hand will be forced, he will sell and move to a club with huge potential. ready to make the next step where he will have direct influence and control. Let's face it - he didn't have to buy Moshiri's Arsenal stake - its not like he gained more influence once he did. Much more likely it was an enabling decision to release him for the 'Everton project.' He definitely won't sell to Kroenke I think, but maybe there is somebody else that we are unaware of that he has lined up to replace him. Cannot really him selling to an African billionaire (Dangote) if Arsenal is a club that he does actually care about, at least a bit unless Dangote is in a position to challenge Kroenke directly or he knows Kroenke would sell to Dangote, just not to AU.
There are some posters on here who seem so confident that AU is already here that I am clinging to the hope that he will arrive at some point with the power to inject even more cash, change our profile further and bridge the financial gap that other posters have talked about with excellent assessments and articles. With or without AU though and despite the terrible start the club has had in the PL this season, we are generally in a far better position than we were 2 years ago, aren't we? Even if we had the Sultan of Brunei ( I remember that rumour along with Paul McCartney) FFP would prevent us from doing a City or a PSG. It's gonna take a bit more time but I am hopeful we will get there or at least much, much closer with or without a Russian Oligarch at the helm.
Rumours are that Everton supported the recent push at the PL meeting for the selfish dosh clubs to receive more TV money. If Everton didn't really have ambitions to join them and any confidence that they would be able to do so soon, I am not sure they would be doing that as the gap would just get even wider. They must be pretty confident that we won't be forever playing catch up - we are going to be amongst it soon or even that if there is a breakaway Super League, Everton feel they should be part of it rather than on the outside looking in. Voting alongside the dosh clubs would surely strengthen their case for inclusion - voting against would leave them ostracised.
jesus christ its like some sort of cult, everybody making out they can forecast what is behind the thinking of some Uzbekistani billionaire and his Persian minion to reinforce their belief that Everton will be anything other than just plain average for the next 50 years
Achilles Heel
Player Valuation: £950k
Nope - it's a case of thinking and hoping that Everton will and should no longer settle for just being average, there to make up the numbers. We need money to do that, and none of the other clubs (the recent anomaly that is Leicester apart) would be in the position that they are without having more of it than the rest of us. Not forecasting anything - my 45 year Everton radar tells me instinctively not to get my hopes up too much - but surely you agree that some of the developments over the last 18 months suggest that there is more to this than a friendship between BK and FM and a sudden love affair with EFC?
tommytowne
Player Valuation: £50m
Yes there is something more than friendship in the Moshiri/Usmanov association with EFC.
Given what we have seen up to now, to me at least, its all about potential riches with the Northern Liverpool waterfront.
You know absolutely nothing....
Usmanov watches Everton matches on his boat...
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