Ronald Koeman discussion

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Badge1878 said:
Hard to come back from, it's turned and it's just a matter of time in my opinion. Whether the fat headed one chooses to believe it or not, it's irrelevant, Evertons board will be actively talking to agents to check on their clients availability to become our new manager ahead of the January window.

It ain't phenenomal but, OK, that's football. Koeman lacks the humility to realise his arrogance and lack of flexibility has cost him the biggest payday he could ever have hoped to achieve. He may argue he's been let down in the transfer market but at the end of the day, it's now his team and his tactics. Everton FC deserve better, he ain't good enough and we should simply move on with the next appointment.
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Of course he'll blame the transfers. He laid the ground work for his excuses after the window shut. No way he's accepting responsbility for what is going wrong with the team.
 

Eggs said:
..I'm not sure that's the right approach. Indeed, it might be the cause of the problem.

Picking your 'best X1' players does not constitute your best team and results in square pegs in round holes situation. In my opinion, he's best picking a formation that is at least hard to beat and one that offers some threat, then pick the players who dovetail into it best.
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I agree, I should have said best team.
 
eurosrees said:
Not sure why people are keen to give him until Christmas based on his track records of turning around bad spells of form (at both Everton and Southampton).

Questions must be asked about how he keeps managing teams into terrible patches of form, the players look absolutely shot to pieces, he reminds me of that snidey co-worker that's convinced the big boss that he's the dogs gonads, when in fact he's totally terrible at his job.

Getting a new manager in now would allow for 2 weeks to get some kind of belief and motivation back to the players, and give the new man time to see who his best 11 is, we cannot allow things to get as bad as they did under Martinez, it took a long time to pick our players off the floor after that disaster.
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Exactly - he's an experienced manager who is now having his third consecutive season in the Premiership with an abysmal run. This tells you that he is not a good manager. No way is he ever going to challenge top 4 and we are simply wasting our time with him. As the bard said "If it were done when 'tis done, then t'were well. It were done quickly".
 
I'm sure it's nothing that hasn't already been said but I was willing to give him yesterday's match, and it was a massive disappointment.

Burnley is not a side that should be overlooked as they have achieved decent results and have really been playing better football than us all season and at times, last season. However there is no reason we shouldn't have at least come away with a point. We have more talent than they do on the pitch but we couldn't get a result. That's why I think he surely needs to be out.
 

For me the team currently has 3 major problems
1) no pace
2) no width
3) no quality strikers

Unfortunately these problems mean the following
1) opposition defenses can push further up the field. We don't have the pace or skill up front to exploit this
2) opposition sides can shift over and try to box us in, even if it means leaving one flank completely open. We don't have the wingers or pace to exploit this.
3) opposition defenders just have to be competent to deal with what we have. This is why teams full of grock defenders (e.g. Burnley and Limassol) who can head away an aimless high ball will have success.

Problems 1 and 2 will be helped in November time when Coleman and Bolasie come back in. Both will add pace and width.

Problem no.3 will hopefully be solved in January with the addition of a striker. We should be able to get someone who offers more than Niasse (tries hard but is not really good enough) and DCL (a kid who should really be learning his trade on loan in the championship).

This is why I think it's difficult to know if Koeman really is useless and if the players have downed tools. To be fair to Koeman he's done most things the fans have asked for (e.g. Bring Niasse back and play with 2 strikers). Yes he could try some of our genuine wingers but I don't think they would make that much difference. Mirallas hasn't played well in ages whenever he's had a chance, Lookman hasn't looked great, and Lenon just hasn't been good enough since he's been at the club. Maybe Lookman would be the one who should be given more minutes and should be on ahead of the likes of Sandro and Klaasson.

One thing Koeman should definitely do is stop playing Martina. He's not as bad as most make out but he offers nothing going forward. You could see yesterday players just stopped passing to him when he was free out wide and opted to put a cross in themselves from a less good angle. Play Kenny until Coleman is back. Will make little difference to results and will instantly win him some points with fans.

One guy whose head should definitely be on the chopping block at the moment is Steve Walsh. The guy is responsible for the players we've brought in. It's literally his job. It's his fault we didn't get the striker, centre half, winger, and left back we needed. Instead he let 4/5 no.10s come in. What a moron. For me he is as much at fault for the failures on the pitch as Koeman is. Unless of course Bill did his usual trick of blocking moves late on in the window. We'll never know though.

The next few games will tell us a lot about Koeman's future. What have what we have until November/January. The results may not improve but the performances have to. I have one request though: if the players have downed tools and stopped playing for Koeman. He must be sacked within the next 4-5 games. I don't want this dragging out for a whole season like it did with Martinez. There's no point in writing off a whole campaign to keep a guy in a job who is taking us nowhere fast.
 
I know sometimes you can’t gauge the overall feeling just on a forum, but I’d be interested if there is a way back for him with a lot of fans.
A lot seem to not connect with him and starting to actually dislike his personality/ attitude/behaviour.
Even with a few wins can he ever around those judgements of him.
 
riddick said:
Just like Gylfi, however, Koeman has had blinders on for certain players. He wanted Giroud and only him. So we waited...and waited. And then the season started. Who sells their striker after the season starts?
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We tried really hard to do just that! I think you're correct about Giroud. Makes you wonder who Walsh was talking about in the summer when he stated he was trying to convince Koeman about certain transfer targets to sign.
 
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