Ronald Koeman discussion

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Efcjake said:
From his conference today:

“You can lose against Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd but we’ve played ten more games and we’ve lost only one of those ten. You look at that as a positive. It’s not all so negative.

Mate, you were brought in and paid 6 million quid to do better than just accepting that it is OK for us to lose to Chelsea, Spurs, and Utd. Don't think bragging about securing draws against the likes of Limassol and Ruzembok is going to placate Evertonians and have us showering praise on your moonfaced gob.
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David Moyes attitude, right there...
 

LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
So that would could be a sign that he's lost the dressing room?
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Possibly so but our senior players seem very happy to let the manager "lose them" and use it as an excuse to not put enough effort in. I didn't except it when they did it under Martinez and I don't except it now. They're paid professionals being paid obscene sums of money. They have no excuse to not make an effort every game no matter how little they may think of the manager.
 
If I see the lineup and it's the same old crap, I'd be tempted to turn the tele off and enjoy my weekend. I've never wanted to get to that point as a fan. He doesn't have the goodwill to be this arrogant.
 
Efcjake said:
From his conference today:

“You can lose against Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd but we’ve played ten more games and we’ve lost only one of those ten. You look at that as a positive. It’s not all so negative.

Mate, you were brought in and paid 6 million quid to do better than just accepting that it is OK for us to lose to Chelsea, Spurs, and Utd. Don't think bragging about securing draws against the likes of Limassol and Ruzembok is going to placate Evertonians and have us showering praise on your moonfaced gob.
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Absolute disgrace of a comment.

Get him out.
 

Osamabindiesel said:
Whether he is truly as stubborn as we think he is.... Something is seriously wrong if he is putting out these lineups to prove a point. Somebody needs to send a message to him before things get out of hand. I don't think the board even care tbh. They are more concerned about Wayne's shirt sales.
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The answer is yes and things are already out of hand. Flogging a dead horse with this guy, he's never been more than an average manager and he's been at it for best part of 20 years!
 
royvernon39 said:
Some of the senior players are really out-of -form and playing poorly - Morgan, Gana, Siggi, Sandro, Rooney are well off the pace but its not entirely their fault. For slow, ball-playing passers of the ball like Rooney and Siggi, they need faster, taller more athletic types around them who can benefit from their passing - but other than DCL none are picked. But RK persists in playing three or four no.10's in each game. RK does not seem to think that width is important but it is super-important to a Rooney who can make clever through passes, otherwise you are stifling his game..

Anyone who has watched EFC this season can see that we are slow, we congest the midfield, have no plan out wide - he picks Kenny and then
places no-one in front of him - and people are often played out of position.

Any idea what team RK will pick Saturday? No, and RK does'nt know either.
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He has to pick a team for Saturday And Sunday?
 
Efcjake said:
I read this when the news came out we were signing him and I gave him the benefit of the doubt....
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I only read people referencing his time there on here. Didn't worry too much because he'd done well at Southampton, and apparently Valencia is a bit of a circus. Worried now though, especially after that particular quote. Wouldn't be shocked if the players are starting to lose faith in him.
 

Woolverhampton_Blue said:
I only read people referencing his time there on here. Didn't worry too much because he'd done well at Southampton, and apparently Valencia is a bit of a circus. Worried now though, especially after that particular quote. Wouldn't be shocked if the players are starting to lose faith in him.
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At the time I wrote it off because there was seemingly more to the story with the club being in financial crisis it was rumored that Koeman was ordered to drop some of those players who were kicking off about him by the Club President who wanted them to put in transfer requests so he could generate some cash flow while their stadium project went tits up.
 
Efcjake said:
I read this when the news came out we were signing him and I gave him the benefit of the doubt....
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Southampton was 7th and 6th under Koeman. We were seriously lacking in talent last year and we were 7th. One season at Valencia doesn't change that. He did win the Copa Del Rey that year, so he wasn't a complete disaster.

Let's see what he comes up with on Sunday. I want to see more movement, more creativity, too, but he's got a lot of players out and 2 games in a short time span. If he comes out with some combination of Lookman, Vlasic, Kev, with Niasse up front and sits Rooney, I think we'll see a little different team. At least we finally got Baines attacking with some width, we just have no one in the middle to finish. Niasse isn't great, but his movement is sooooo much better than anyone else we've got. I'll be interested to see how that plays out - gotta believe he starts him Sunday.

I still find it amusing that everyone is criticizing his use of two DMs last night, ripping him for playing with too many defensive minded players, yet we were horrid on set pieces, conceded two goals, and far and away the biggest issue was the center halfs. And honestly, I'm just not sure what he could do about Williams and Holgate being his only two CB options. The guy asked for another CB.
 

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