Ronald Koeman discussion

[allen]

Indeed. Chelsea are better than Arsenal yes. However how we perform against the top 6 sets a benchmark if we have aspirations of breaking it.

I'm not entirely sure if you're wilfully ignoring my point, or I haven't explained it clearly enough.

Finishing 6th or higher is the defacto definition of 'breaking the top 6.'

To do that, we only have to pick off the weakest amongst them.

It's not dependent upon us going toe-to-toe with the champions in their backyard, as gratifying as that would be.

Like it or not, we're not aiming to win the league this season. That's just not where we are.

Most Evertonians would, I suspect, settle for clear progression each season. One place better would be reasonable, then hopefully the same next year and so on.

I'd love to see us going to these places and routinely winning, but that doesn't happen after a single summer.

 

[jceverton]

What the last week has proven to me is that koeman really does have a specific way of playing and will run the team through it over and over until they get it right.

We did it last season and it started to click at arsenal onwards , now we are doing it again. I suppose this is a good thing, we aren't knee jerking after results but sending them out to play a system on the basis that eventually we get it right and start to see the positive of it

Unfortunately that completely ignores the away form. Great systems don't just work on 50% of the games.

 

[peteblue]

Yes Pete, that's what I meant: by pushing one of the 'big boys' out of top 4, we're hotting up competition for places below 4th. 7th place this season is going to be a ding dong battle between Spurs,Arsenal and Liverpool.
Now Pete, I know what your next question is: can we win the whole caboodle? and, based on what I've seen to date, with this present squad, and with an astute manager like Big Ronkoe, playing a fearless style that intimidates and sweeps aside all opposition, then yes!!...yes we can.
A PL win, probably the Europa as well (it's not a hard comp that one) and a good run in the two domestic Cup competitions will appease most GOT members. Sure, there still be some on here who will moan at not winning all four competitions, but hopefully, if we win the CL next season, we might silence those moans ( for a short while at least! lol)

So, just the two trophies then.....ffs........

 

[johnnydawg68]

I really dont want to jump on the bandwagon of Koeman bashing because I like him as a manager and want him to take us forward. But I can't argue against a word you say there mate.

Mate this is one of those times I wish I was wrong.

Having said that I wish I wasn't right, but every game is an opportunity to start getting it right so I hope he takes the international break to get more players in and figure out our best team for each situation.

 

[Soap]

Yes Pete, that's what I meant: by pushing one of the 'big boys' out of top 4, we're hotting up competition for places below 4th. 7th place this season is going to be a ding dong battle between Spurs,Arsenal and Liverpool.
Now Pete, I know what your next question is: can we win the whole caboodle? and, based on what I've seen to date, with this present squad, and with an astute manager like Big Ronkoe, playing a fearless style that intimidates and sweeps aside all opposition, then yes!!...yes we can.
A PL win, probably the Europa as well (it's not a hard comp that one) and a good run in the two domestic Cup competitions will appease most GOT members. Sure, there still be some on here who will moan at not winning all four competitions, but hopefully, if we win the CL next season, we might silence those moans ( for a short while at least! lol)

Are you trying to get quoted on RAWK or do you actually believe the stuff you just posted?

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Talk about overreactions...my heavens, this thread is out of control. We look bad in an away defeat to the defending champs, with half our team hurt or unavailable, the other half barely fit playing their 3rd game in 6 days. Without a replacement YET for Lukaku and another defender.

 

[Kenshin]

Unfortunately that completely ignores the away form. Great systems don't just work on 50% of the games.

Home form comes first though and we followed our worst ever home form with one of our best so first things first

 

[Efcjake]

It wasn't the result, it's the complete anti football performances we are churning out.

Also obvious excuses deflecting from his crap selections and tactics etc etc

This in a nutshell. I don't think anyone with sense is expecting us to walk into Stamford Bridge and boss Chelsea with uber attacking footy, we'd just like to see us have a go and compete with hopefully a few shots on target. That's two premier league matches in a row where the tactics have been obvious from the start and we've attempted to play for a point by parking the bus. Without any sort of pace in the team we're really limited in our ability to threaten because we have no fast counter to catch teams out, it leaves us to relying on a bit of luck from set pieces which is all very reminiscent of Moyes.

The thing that's getting to me beyond the negativity of how we're setting up is that I still can't for the life of my see the formation of a way forward tactically.

What are all of these signings going towards in an ideal starting 11 in Ronny's mind because I've not a clue how he would be planning to set up with everybody fit. Does he stick with 3-5-2 or go back to 4-2-3-1/4-3-3? I still can't see the big picture with his chosen signings and that is a bit worrying.

We were due a loss and if it was going to come to anyone then last year's champions is the team to do it to but we need to show more creativity and intelligence moving forward than we have done so far this season. I think Klaassen is a good player, but I think we could have gone for someone more comfortable running on the ball and that would have offered more than he does though there is lots of time for it all to click for him eventually.

 

[peteblue]

Talk about overreactions...my heavens, this thread is out of control. We look bad in an away defeat to the defending champs, with half our team hurt or unavailable, the other half barely fit playing their 3rd game in 6 days. Without a replacement YET for Lukaku and another defender.

You're right, perhaps we should just march on GP with pitchforks and torches.......

 

[peteblue]

This in a nutshell. I don't think anyone with sense is expecting us to walk into Stamford Bridge and boss Chelsea with uber attacking footy, we'd just like to see us have a go and compete with hopefully a few shots on target. That's two premier league matches in a row where the tactics have been obvious from the start and we've attempted to play for a point by parking the bus. Without any sort of pace in the team we're really limited in our ability to threaten because we have no fast counter to catch teams out, it leaves us to relying on a bit of luck from set pieces which is all very reminiscent of Moyes.

The thing that's getting to me beyond the negativity of how we're setting up is that I still can't for the life of my see the formation of a way forward tactically.

What are all of these signings going towards in an ideal starting 11 in Ronny's mind because I've not a clue how he would be planning to set up with everybody fit. Does he stick with 3-5-2 or go back to 4-2-3-1/4-3-3? I still can't see the big picture with his chosen signings and that is a bit worrying.

We were due a loss and if it was going to come to anyone then last year's champions is the team to do it to but we need to show more creativity and intelligence moving forward than we have done so far this season. I think Klaassen is a good player, but I think we could have gone for someone more comfortable running on the ball and that would have offered more than he does though there is lots of time for it all to click for him eventually.

We lost because Snides was banned, its that simple.......

 

[a bell maul]

Are you trying to get quoted on RAWK or do you actually believe the stuff you just posted?

 

[Efcjake]

We lost because Snides was banned, its that simple.......

There's plenty of reasons you could point to all of which would be valid. Even if Schneiderlin played I'd still think we were due a loss. Chelsea are a good team and were always going to be tough opposition but you still want to see more from us than we showed yesterday.

 

[johnnydawg68]

We lost because Snides was banned, its that simple.......

It's not that simple. We should have put out a side that accounted for that fact and we didn't. I don't think anyone is shocked we lost but after watching that, it was like "what was the point of even showing up"?

 

[peteblue]

It's not that simple. We should have put out a side that accounted for that fact and we didn't. I don't think anyone is shocked we lost but after watching that, it was like "what was the point of even showing up"?

We didn't have an adequate replacement. I understand your frustration, but I am still of the opinion that Snides makes all the difference......

 

[peteblue]

There's plenty of reasons you could point to all of which would be valid. Even if Schneiderlin played I'd still think we were due a loss. Chelsea are a good team and were always going to be tough opposition but you still want to see more from us than we showed yesterday.

It was a terrible first half and a decent second. It's gone, we all knew we'd get beaten.....