Ronald Koeman discussion

bizzaro · August 22, 2017

Efcjake said:
No mate, I am not.

I'm talking about this one game, the City game, and what I think we should be capable of when we're a goal and a man up. Brighton doesn't come into it, it could be Chelsea or Utd and I'd still hope we would take the game to them and see it through for the 3 points.

Football doesn't work like that though and never has done.

TrixyStevens · August 22, 2017

At this level Everton should have taken the game to city 1 nil to the good and against 10 men, simple as that. It was a Moyes performance and I seen plenty of it last season as well. I hope Koeman has more to his game management than that.

Efcjake · August 22, 2017

bizzaro said:
You're acting like we were playing 10 man Bournemouth. At Goodison.

When actually we weren't.

Plus its an Everton team full of new players.

Most teams would still find a 10 man City team a challenge. Including the Uniteds, Chelseas of this world.

I'm acting like we were a goal up and a man up at half time and didn't take the game to the opposition and failed to win the match.

The United's and Chelsea's of this world wouldn't be struggling to get out of their own half against them at 10 men for an entire half.

I'm not saying there is a need to go all out and throw every player forwards but surely there has to be some quality on the ball going forward and some extra space for us to exploit.

Efcjake · August 22, 2017

bizzaro said:
Football doesn't work like that though and never has done.

How does it work damo?

Foot Long Hot Dog · August 22, 2017

Some tactical geniuses in here like.

Zezti · August 22, 2017

Osamabindiesel said:
We had plenty of cover in the midfield. What we didn't have was support for DCL. You get one runner with a bit of pace and trickery (Sandro would have probably been brought on had he been available), and City suddenly look very stretched. We weren't going to win the midfield against City. Let us dominate the counter attack instead.

And leave open space for them to run through and have one-on-ones with Baines and Jags? No thanks. I like Baines and Jags but Sterling, Aguero, De Bruyne, etc would have dance through them if we left space.

Osamabindiesel · August 22, 2017

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Some tactical geniuses in here like.

Great insight. Let me ask you a serious question: Do you think Koeman makes the same substitutions after the outcome of the game? I want you to answer honestly.

Osamabindiesel · August 22, 2017

Zezti said:
And leave open space for them to run through and have one-on-ones with Baines and Jags? No thanks. I like Baines and Jags but Sterling, Aguero, De Bruyne, etc would have dance through them if we left space.

You are assuming that Mirallas and Lookman don't track back. Both of them would do just as much work as Siggy did last night. He wasn't match fit.

TrixyStevens · August 22, 2017

City were attacking like mad but were all fart and no poo. Lookman instead of Besic or Klassen and Lookman would have served as a better double sub, exploit their space and break on the counter.

Lanolin · August 22, 2017

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Some tactical geniuses in here like.

Or just fans giving opinions on a forum. One or the other.

Efcjake · August 22, 2017

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Some tactical geniuses in here like.

Mad how some people think we should attack teams that have less players than us.

roydo · August 22, 2017

He could have put player A B or C on, and we might have got a second.

He could have put player A B or C on and City get 2 and win.

He put player A B or C on and we got a point.

bizzaro · August 22, 2017

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Some tactical geniuses in here like.

He's talking to you there @MorgsGoat

Osamabindiesel · August 22, 2017

roydo said:
He could have put player A B or C on, and we might have got a second.

He could have put player A B or C on and City get 2 and win.

He put player A B or C on and we got a point.

I don't disagree with this Roydo. For all we know Lookman or Mirallas do something incredibly stupid and we end up losing the game. But if Koeman had the opportunity again, I think he would choose different options.

Lanolin · August 22, 2017

roydo said:
He could have put player A B or C on, and we might have got a second.

He could have put player A B or C on and City get 2 and win.

He put player A B or C on and we got a point.

Was going to post this in a really convoluted way, but you summed it up much better. All opinions are valid and we'll never know what might have happened in an alternate universe.