In some cases, yes it is
Again though, you seem to be ignoring that a lot of people in this thread don't want him to go and aren't talking down his ability
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In some cases, yes it is
Again though, you seem to be ignoring that a lot of people in this thread don't want him to go and aren't talking down his ability
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
They weren't good enough, no. But he brought in and through a lot of talented ones...not enough to play the footy he wanted is my point.
Anyway, he's gone now and leaves us that record to shoot for and memories of how Everton can and should play football: on the deck and passing the ball - the Everton School of Science way.
This really should all be in the Martinez thread.
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
THAT was it?
Well the window hasnt closed yet, its a work in progress.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I'm only kidding mate. I do like reading them.
Again, you're putting it all on Koeman there, which isn't right
Barkley hasn't taken to Koeman either it would seem, and despite this Koeman has still sanctioned a big contract offer for Ross
This is a two way street, and I'm sticking firm to the belief that neither are to blame for it
Sometimes personalities don't gel and people choose to work elsewhere. It happens in every line of work, even football
The only blame I'll send Koeman's way is that he gave that stupid public ultimatum, but then again you can chalk that down to frustration at Ross stringing the club along
You need to appreciate the grey Dave, not everything is black and white
So Spurs want Barkley but not for 50 mill hmmm. Something just isn't right with this Barkley contract saga
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Under Moyes we had some of the worst defensive displays I have ever seen too. 0-7 vs Arsenal? A barrage of 0-4 defeats against the likes of West Brom, Aston Villa and Bolton Wanderers.
His mindset of what football is probably resulted in some decent seasons stats wise but those same players under Moyes, Martinez and even Koeman still have those same fatal flaws that result in them falling to bits whenever something big is riding on the game.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Most are.
It staggers me that not every one can see he is head and shoulders above any other player we have in terms of talent. Maybe they do and it's just sheer anger that he's off to pastures new and to a CL team and football. There was a lot of hope by some that he'd have to leave with his tail between his legs to a lesser club. That was never going to happen. The lad is utter class and you dont see that going to waste...except at Everton.
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Why would Spurs pay £50M for a player whose manager has said is worthless to him?
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
He's not worth anywhere near that. He'll clearly leave. I'll go with him heading to Spurs next month for around 30m.
Shame but that's life.
What we can't do is lose both Barkley and Lukaku the same Summer.
That's two Summers of STCC solved there.
You're overstating how good he is Dave
He's not THAT much more talented that a Dowell or a Davies or a Coleman or even a Holgate when it comes to pure talent
He's a very good player who makes us stronger overall, no doubt. Indeed, I'd say he's an excellent player on his day, and if he ever becomes more consistent he's going to be Gazza level IMO. But he's not there right now, and there's no guarantee he'll ever get there
Again, you seem to be doing the thing you always do where if everyone isn't right at your extreme end of the spectrum then you automatically assume they're at the other extreme, when it's far more nuanced than that
That's what you lack Dave, and indeed have always lacked, nuance and balance. You pick one side of the line and you go all in with it. You must be an absolute nightmare to go for a pint with sometimes
If Barkley wants to stay then Koeman will happily keep him. But I don't think going forward - barring Ross really keeping up the standards he set in the back half of last season (which I do think he's capable of) - he sees him as massively important to how he wants the team to play.
Important, yes, and a bonus to have in any side, but not integral. And given the contract situation we're in a tough position.
That's not just down to Ross, but it should have been resolved before the season ended. The club (Koeman) publicly pressed for an answer and seemingly, they haven't had one. Maybe, just maybe, they have, and it has all been resolved already either way, but I'm not holding out too much hope.
That is on Ross, and whoever has advised him in this.
Everton have offered him a deal that they clearly feel reflects his stature in the club - it's the second-biggest contract ever offered to an Everton player.
If he's holding out for more, and won't sign, then we have to sell and move on. And there's not currently a queue of top clubs that you'd say he'd 'walk into' waiting in line. So it begs the question, why won't he sign? Is it because he may not be guaranteed first team football, and doesn't have the balls for a fight (though he wouldn't have that at a 'top club' either).
Or, is it that he just sees his development elsewhere now, moving into the prime of his career.
The stats say he's had his best season in an Everton shirt last year and despite a poor start he was very much one of our better players in the back half of the season - especially when he formed a brilliant combo with Coleman down the right.
On that logic, it seems silly to leave now, when the club is evidently heading in the right direction on and off the pitch. But if he genuinely feels a move would be good for him, then so be it. We'll take the money and we'll move on.
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