Summer Transfer Window 2017

[streeky]

spend our whole transfer budget on a left sided beast. I am sick of seeing leighton running forward, stop. turning round and passing back 50 times a game. GET HIM SOMEONE TO PLAY WITH RON!!!!

 

[jonnyg]

spend our whole transfer budget on a left sided beast. I am sick of seeing leighton running forward, stop. turning round and passing back 50 times a game. GET HIM SOMEONE TO PLAY WITH RON!!!!

 

[Kenshin]

That is some bizarre logic. He had a 1-in-3 strike rate for Liverpool in the league playing only 16 games worth of minutes. The reason he "struggled" was because they played the complete opposite style needed to get the best out of him.

It seems to be a running theme though, benteke was just 'mis-used' at liverpool, Siggurdson was just 'mis-used' at Spurs, yet the only interest seems to come from teams at that level?

So genuinely, do you think Benteke at 40 million plus is worth signing? Because he will cost more than he went to palace for, quite a bit more and for those sorts of prices can you confidently say you think he will not only be a right fit but will score regularly as well?

 

[Nymzee]

It seems to be a running theme though, benteke was just 'mis-used' at liverpool, Siggurdson was just 'mis-used' at Spurs, yet the only interest seems to come from teams at that level?

So genuinely, do you think Benteke at 40 million plus is worth signing? Because he will cost more than he went to palace for, quite a bit more and for those sorts of prices can you confidently say you think he will not only be a right fit but will score regularly as well?

It's not really a running theme it's logic. Let's put some numbers to it:

Benteke: 65 in 152 games with only one season in a good top half side.

Lukaku: 84 in 184 games with only one season (2013/14) in a good top half side.

Why is one proven and the other not exactly?

If we sold Rom and spent X amount on Benteke I'd be fine with that. I don't like commenting on prices because no one knows how much someone will go for. My only point was that swapping Lukaku for Benteke and a few others leaves us stronger.

 

[Kenshin]

Fair enough point to make, I think most players except say Messi, Ronaldo etc are gambles.
For me though I think we do need to be looking for alternatives to Lukaku, Benteke would suit Koemans style from a hold up point of view, something he tries with Lukaku sometimes, but Benteke needs crosses to pin down the full back and get headers on goal. We don't have that width now.

In terms of Dolberg, we need to be looking at these talents, they could save us about £30m in future, maybe even help us make £30m profit, see Romelu, Lescott, Rooney etc...

Sandro Ramirez for me is the gamble. Talented yet lightweight, who does that remind you of ?

We are at that point in the summer where we need a overhaul of about 7 players. We could do a spurs after bale window and change too much too quickly, or we could get together a proper squad capable of Europa league and premier league progression.

For me Benteke could be koemans pelle at everton.

You could argue Spurs after the bale money did not do too badly in hindsight. Enough players made the team as they progressed to top 4 and when you consider Eriksen and Lamela were both brought in with the money, both first team regulars now and Eriksen in particular one of the best in the league. When you sign players en mass then they aren't all going to work, and in Spurs case most of them did work even for the job of taking them to the top 4 before they moved on and were replaced by better fits.

a good example of it not working are your sunderlands, QPRs and Kopites who didn't benefit at all from doing so.

 

[BlueToff]

What is weird though is he never seems to get near half the aerial balls outside the box but if he is in front of goal makes contact on a vast majority more even if he doesn't score. Whether he can't be bothered to challenge outside the box I have no idea but it is strange for someone as big as he is to win so few in the air.

Think a lot of it is to do with the angle a ball is coming in from though mate.

A cross into the area usually means Rom can meet the ball full on, on his front foot.

A ball from deep is forcing Rom onto his back foot.

 

[Kenshin]

It's not really a running theme it's logic. Let's put some numbers to it:

Benteke: 65 in 152 games with only one season in a good top half side.

Lukaku: 84 in 184 games with only one season (2013/14) in a good top half side.

Why is one proven and the other not exactly?

If we sold Rom and spent X amount on Benteke I'd be fine with that. I don't like commenting on prices because no one knows how much someone will go for. My only point was that swapping Lukaku for Benteke and a few others leaves us stronger.

YOu are so sure on your opinion of Benteke being able to step up you don't seem to want to consider the alternative that perhaps he is best suited to teams down towards the bottom. That is fine, your opionion and to be honest I am not saying Benteke wouldn't be able to perform. mainly i think he won't perform for the price we would pay for him. As much as mentioning fees might not be of interest for you, we would be paying upwards of 50 million for him, for that price i wouldn't want to go near him.

Side note, you can't compare Rom and Ben considering Rom hasn't moved club and statistically improved year on year despite the team itself failing, mainly down to the managing of it.

 

[Nymzee]

YOu are so sure on your opinion of Benteke being able to step up you don't seem to want to consider the alternative that perhaps he is best suited to teams down towards the bottom. That is fine, your opionion and to be honest I am not saying Benteke wouldn't be able to perform. mainly i think he won't perform for the price we would pay for him. As much as mentioning fees might not be of interest for you, we would be paying upwards of 50 million for him, for that price i wouldn't want to go near him.

Side note, you can't compare Rom and Ben considering Rom hasn't moved club and statistically improved year on year despite the team itself failing, mainly down to the managing of it.

Rom and Benteke have both played for 3 PL teams...

Also I don't really understand your "best suited to teams at the bottom" tag. What does this even mean? That only bottom teams play lots of crosses into the box because I think you should watch a United game. You play to the strengths of your best players. Liverpool didn't but Koeman would. He could come here and do naff all but I find it hard to believe.

 

[Lanolin]

Rom and Benteke have both played for 3 PL teams...

Also I don't really understand your "best suited to teams at the bottom" tag. What does this even mean? That only bottom teams play lots of crosses into the box because I think you should watch a United game. You play to the strengths of your best players. Liverpool didn't but Koeman would. He could come here and do naff all but I find it hard to believe.

Not necessarily saying it applies to Benteke but there's certainly an argument that some players are better suited to poorer teams than to the big guns.

The pressure is different, the way you're treated by the crowd is different, the likelihood of a team being set up to get the best out of 1 player is much higher at a bottom half side.

 

[Nymzee]

Not necessarily saying it applies to Benteke but there's certainly an argument that some players are better suited to poorer teams than to the big guns.

The pressure is different, the way you're treated by the crowd is different, the likelihood of a team being set up to get the best out of 1 player is much higher at a bottom half side.

It is but you could argue that a) we don't apply in the big guns debate yet, and b) we set up to get the best out of Rom.

Koeman seems pragmatic enough to take this approach if we signed a target man. All speculation, not even linked with Benteke, but same can be applied for Bas Dost.

 

[TheGeeseofGoodisonRoad]

If Dolberg doesn't work out, we should make a move for Sandro Ramirez of Malaga. Been a revelation there since leaving Barca. Skillful, agile and a fantastic finisher with 13 goals in 27. Even better than that, his release clause is only 5 million(!) this summer

hey! i called it!

 

[belgiantoffee]

reports in Belgian press telling we are after Leander Dendoncker, would be a good buy if true

 

[Lanolin]

It is but you could argue that a) we don't apply in the big guns debate yet, and b) we set up to get the best out of Rom.

Koeman seems pragmatic enough to take this approach if we signed a target man. All speculation, not even linked with Benteke, but same can be applied for Bas Dost.

As I said, I'm not necessarily saying it applies to Benteke, just that I wouldn't necessarily disagree with the basic premise of what @Kenshin is saying.

a)I agree, but there's definitely more pressure and expectation here than at somewhere like Palace.
b)I completely disagree. We absolutely do not set up to get the best out of Lukaku, particularly in away games.

 

[superblue123]

Not a fan of Benteke - goes missing for majority of season and scores in the last 10 games of the season. Not a Koeman type player either.

 

[Nymzee]

As I said, I'm not necessarily saying it applies to Benteke, just that I wouldn't necessarily disagree with the basic premise of what @Kenshin is saying.

a)I agree, but there's definitely more pressure and expectation here than at somewhere like Palace.
b)I completely disagree. We absolutely do not set up to get the best out of Lukaku, particularly in away games.

Regarding point B. I'm not necessarily saying we're good at it but he is the main focus when constructing our attacks which ends up being detrimental half the time.

Either way, I like all of them.