New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

Yes and as the majority owner you presume he risks nothing which is simply not the case. This deal allows the club to continue building on other areas. I think it will prove to be a success in the long term future of the club.

Let's hope so. I dont like the idea of this financial plan right now. Obviously we have to try something to break through to the elite, but this to me has the feel of something that over-exposes us for an awful long time...and it'll have many people wondering what the beauty is of having a billionaire as major owner if we have to open up ourselves to a lot of potential pitfalls like this over snaring some other party to vouch for us as good for credit.

Count me in as sceptical at this stage.
 

I don't actually know anything honest I am just trying to interpret what I've read in the document. It's my opinion really.

If say usmanov or one of his companies funds this.. then as I read it because whoever funds this leases the site to the council.. then usmanov isn't directly funding the stadium.. he is funding a company that the council own. We then sub let from the council.. thus have a degree of separation from usmanov.

If anyone questions it he would come out and say he is funding the regeneration of Liverpool and not directly everton.

But like I say that's just my opinon. I have zero inside knowledge.

Brilliant, thanks mate that sounds sensible. And after 40 years in all likelihood everyone has forgotten about the conflict of interest and he can transfer the assets. Or if he comes on board to Everton in the next 3-5 years then the nature of the deal can change?
 
That's not true. Even Damo knows that we can spend whatever we want on "Infrastructure" without it affecting FFP. Capital losses from investing in non-playing staff related costs don't come into it.
Sort of agree, but my initial point on FFP is the "facility" fee for LCC impact on FFP. The loan interest kicks in when the stadium generates income I think.
 
That's exactly how I see it

We get a funder to build the stadium let's call him, I don't know 'Usmanov'

'Usmanov' has a conflict of interest and can't build a stadium for a competing company 'EFC'

So 'Usmanov' builds a stadium which can be used for entertaining events like concerts, shows, sports, *cough* football*cough* and leases it to Liverpool city council to use 'LCC'

'LCC' lease that property to who they want 'EFC'

'EFC' pay 'LCC' the cost of the rent they have to pay to 'Usmanov' plus an extra 4.4 mil as a annual security fee which 'LCC' keep

EFC get a new stadium

LCC get 4.4 Mil a year for 40 years without having to outlay anything in cost

Probably way off like, what do I know
Pretty much my thoughts as set out in the post below you!!
 
Surely it would be cheaper for Moshiri who has 300m easy to loan it us? If we pay him 15m back a year it will be paid back in 20 years

Yes you would think so mate. Maybe he's unwilling unable too. Alternatively it may be that Usmanov is funding it, but can't do it in anything other than an opaque way. Those seem to be the two options currently.
 

Mate, don't be fooled by Elstone's talk of not having a design or plans yet, Dan Meis has been involved in this for ages now, I'm confident that we have plenty of plans / designs in place already and a lot of this talk is just to dampen expectations. Behind the scenes there would have been massive amounts of work going ahead, I'm sure of that. EFC are probably acutely aware of the last time we released plans too early (Kings Dock / Kirkby) before all the finer details were resolved and are now just keeping their powder keg dry

Thats what worries me, knowing how much other people (like spurs) are paying for their new grounds, 300M will barley give us a 50K just above average stadium, so all the talk about a state of the art and 60+K are over the top, unless (which is also worrying) the plan can cost 400M and we will have to come up with the additional 100M (players sales)
 
I've just looked at that Mayoral recommendation pdf laying out the terms of EFC involvement.

On first reading that looks horrendous on finances we have to put forward and the lack of control and ownership we have over the site. I;d have to be persuaded a hell of a lot to support this. It'll be sold as a good move to free up cash for squad investment etc, but if w're to be tenants paying inflation linked payments for 40 years it looks and sounds terrible.

Will say one thing Dave, the way this deal has been done, entirely frees up usm to sponsor our new ground and much more.

I know your rightly doubtful given our clubs past, but judge what moshiri has done and not one dodgy shafting he's ever been involved in, for the money he'd make, why start with us after this long in business, stuff can and will look weird, and its because they are manipulating fpp, premier rules to the maximum in order to get us where they want us, May work, it may not, but I love the fact we aren't just settling for a pat on the head and to know our place anymore.
 
Brilliant, thanks mate that sounds sensible. And after 40 years in all likelihood everyone has forgotten about the conflict of interest and he can transfer the assets. Or if he comes on board to Everton in the next 3-5 years then the nature of the deal can change?
Of course I'm sure there will be break lease clauses inserted in the contract for this exact scenario. It's also standard business practice.
 
Surely it would be cheaper for Moshiri who has 300m easy to loan it us? If we pay him 15m back a year it will be paid back in 20 years

I think it's clear at this point that Moshiri isn't backing us to the extent people hoped for when he took over, and indeed it's looking pretty likely that we won't be seeing significant investment without guaranteed return from him at Everton.

But at least he's had the clout and initiative to get something over the line in regards to a badly needed new stadium.

We're owned by a businessman, not a benefactor.
 

Fantastic news, great to secure the site we all wanted and brilliant that there's a plan to finance it.:dance:

Love all the blerts on RAWK going on about heads 'not falling off'... I suggest they listen to Roger Phillips phone in tomorrow when I guess there will be absolutely no Kopites phoning in to complain about LCC's involvement....:coffee:
 
Why are people getting hot and bothered about the finances of this. Moshiri was never going to just drop 400 mill upfront on this, it was always going to be a complex system of borrowing from someone to pay for it. I bet a bank owns most people's houses on here but it doesn't mean you don't live in them. Only Evertonians could look to rip this announcement to shreds with negativity. We've effectively announced that the club, Peel, and the council are all united behind a waterfront stadium project, and all agreed on the funding mechanism. That's huge. We know the architects have been engaged already just to get this far so I imagine we are further down towards s design than the doom merchants would have you believe.

Given that Moshiri has been here a year this is unbelievable progress and something the previous board failed to do in 20. Indeed Levy and Abramovich have had far longer to look at this and are only just now starting build or confirming designs after working on it best part of a decade. Liverpool's owners shied away from this, West Ham's and City's just waited for an opportunity. Imagine the fume on here if Moshiri just hung his hat on a future commonwealth games bid.

Instead he's gone for probably the hardest new stadium build in English football, with notoriously difficult partners involved in Peel, the council, and WHO, yet within a year of being st the club he's got them all singing from his hym sheet and an agreement over the land and funding vehicle.

What is wrong with people?! For once pipe the negativity down. The club has never been in such a good place since the prem started. We've cleared our debt, spruced up Goodison, have one of the best academies in the country, have a top class managerial team, an owner prepared to spend on the first team window after window, we'll be returning to European football and now we've gone and got the waterfront. These are halcyon days.
 
That's exactly how I see it

We get a funder to build the stadium let's call him, I don't know 'Usmanov'

'Usmanov' has a conflict of interest and can't build a stadium for a competing company 'EFC'

So 'Usmanov' builds a stadium which can be used for entertaining events like concerts, shows, sports, *cough* football*cough* and leases it to Liverpool city council to use 'LCC'

'LCC' lease that property to who they want 'EFC'

'EFC' pay 'LCC' the cost of the rent they have to pay to 'Usmanov' plus an extra 4.4 mil as a annual security fee which 'LCC' keep

EFC get a new stadium

LCC get 4.4 Mil a year for 40 years without having to outlay anything in cost

Probably way off like, what do I know

so in short...

we are getting a brand new stadium built by Usmanov and are paying him £10m a year back in instalments

and were paying LCC £4.4m a year for being the go between to allow it to happen , to get round premier league rules.

thats about as simple as it can get!
 

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