Discussion & help on depression & mental health related issues

LinekersLegs said:
http://mashable.com/2017/03/09/artificial-intelligence-suicide-risk/#Tw0f7hzrGmq5
If you were asked to guess the words people use when they're most at risk for suicide, you'd be right to think of obvious nouns and verbs like die, overdose and, yes, the word suicide itself.

So when Crisis Text Line, a free mental health support service, built an algorithm to flag high-priority texts, it included those among 50 words to indicate the person messaging desperately needed help.

But when Crisis Text Line started using artificial intelligence to analyze the 22 million messages about emotional distress in its database last summer, its researchers made a surprising discovery: The word ibuprofen was 16 times more likely to predict the person texting would need emergency services than the word suicide.
Another highly predictive type of content wasn't even a word but a crying face emoji. When people included that sad character in their messages, Crisis Text Line supervisors were 11 times more likely to call 911 for assistance. In total, Crisis Text Line has integrated 9,000 new words or word combinations that indicate high risk — and expects to add more in the future.
Nancy Lublin, the nonprofit's CEO, says these unexpected data points have made a huge difference. Before AI detected the new words, volunteers responded to high-risk texters in less than two minutes. Now the average response time is down to 39 seconds. Lublin believes that's because the algorithm is much better at identifying those most at risk and sending them to the front of the line, like you would in a hospital emergency room.
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Great stuff.
Am I having a blonde moment and not seeing the 50 words in the article? Or have they not been disclosed?
 
Didn't get another interview.

Again the reasons full of crap, I came across as too hands on rather than more liason despite selling myself as someone who is involved with change and driving new things for both company and department. In fact I probably gave an interview like someone high up and still couldn't get one of the jobs.

I just feel like giving up. I hate where I am and clearly aren't getting a job anywhere else. There is no one to help me and I'm sick of getting ready for interviews only to fail them for superficial reasons over and over again. I can't leave the company I'm at for another 18 months but I hate where I am. It's just crushing every rejection now.

And the worst of it is thst if I just got told I didn't interview well enough or wasn't as good as the others I'd be fine with that.
 
@Ashtonian hi mate, sorry to hear you didn't get a second interview. Why can't you leave your current employer for 18 months though mate? What were their basic reasons for not shortlisting you?

I've read a few of your posts on this subject and it sounds as if you're somewhat isolated where you work and that's never easy to deal with given the amount of our life we spend at work.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
@Ashtonian hi mate, sorry to hear you didn't get a second interview. Why can't you leave your current employer for 18 months though mate? What were their basic reasons for not shortlisting you?

I've read a few of your posts on this subject and it sounds as if you're somewhat isolated where you work and that's never easy to deal with given the amount of our life we spend at work.
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it was for a job rather than a second interview. They were looking for 17 people so i wasn't given one of them.

their basic reason was that my job is too hands on now and the new one is more liasing with people. That was it, nothing on my interview itself or that my answers didn't detail enough or anything like that. I had asked our management for support before this interview because it was a jump up for me, and all they did was pass it to someone with no experience interviewing at that level to just read off a sheet to me about questions they could ask (but weren't for the job type i went for).

Pretty much this is it now, i am isolated, more so that it is clear i just don't matter. I raise bullying issues, i am ignored, i talk about work issues, i am ignored. the one time i ask for interview advice and no-one makes time for me in the management. I keep getting failed interviews for stupid reasons, like the person who got it has done the job before, or no matter how great i interview i didn't mention the odd generic answer in the right place (yes i had that one, told them the answer but to the wrong question).

I can't leave because my place had a scheme to get things from your wages, pay over wages over a year or two. Got a couple of personal things, and a couple of necessities (washer and drier when they packed in) so i can't leave where i am now until i finished paying otherwise they would take it all out my wages and therefore i wouldn't have any money for a month. I can move elsewhere in the company i am in but not leave it, which limits me.

and yeah, it is just crushing now because i just can't get out of where i am, i can't get support where i am to help me get out, i feel just isolated, and like i don't matter now and it is just going to get worse for me due to changes coming in. I even asked for support in getting experience to help me and got shut down over that as well so literally nothing i can do. Hell i am due to finish a level 4 NVQ for actual manager level experience in 2 months! despite not being at that level, i'm doing all i can but i don't know how many more interviews i can prepare for and fail over and over again without any good reason now, it might sound silly to some people and fair enough. But essentially imagine getting to the point where you interview as good as you possibly can and then find out it doesn't matter?

Just feel so lost right now.
 
@Ashtonian a few things there mate. If you're being bullied and your complaints are being ignored. The next time a genuine bullying issue occurs raise a formal complaint with your line manager, if you get no response, tell him you'll go over his head to either HR (assuming you have one) or his boss. Put it all in writing but be sure that you're not embellishing anything. Bullying in the workplace can't be tolerated and speaking as someone who employs a decent number of people it's something that no senior manager would accept.

You say you're trapped by salary sacrifice payments, well you're not mate. How much do you owe in total? There's always alternatives mate.
 
Ashtonian said:
it was for a job rather than a second interview. They were looking for 17 people so i wasn't given one of them.

their basic reason was that my job is too hands on now and the new one is more liasing with people. That was it, nothing on my interview itself or that my answers didn't detail enough or anything like that. I had asked our management for support before this interview because it was a jump up for me, and all they did was pass it to someone with no experience interviewing at that level to just read off a sheet to me about questions they could ask (but weren't for the job type i went for).

Pretty much this is it now, i am isolated, more so that it is clear i just don't matter. I raise bullying issues, i am ignored, i talk about work issues, i am ignored. the one time i ask for interview advice and no-one makes time for me in the management. I keep getting failed interviews for stupid reasons, like the person who got it has done the job before, or no matter how great i interview i didn't mention the odd generic answer in the right place (yes i had that one, told them the answer but to the wrong question).

I can't leave because my place had a scheme to get things from your wages, pay over wages over a year or two. Got a couple of personal things, and a couple of necessities (washer and drier when they packed in) so i can't leave where i am now until i finished paying otherwise they would take it all out my wages and therefore i wouldn't have any money for a month. I can move elsewhere in the company i am in but not leave it, which limits me.

and yeah, it is just crushing now because i just can't get out of where i am, i can't get support where i am to help me get out, i feel just isolated, and like i don't matter now and it is just going to get worse for me due to changes coming in. I even asked for support in getting experience to help me and got shut down over that as well so literally nothing i can do. Hell i am due to finish a level 4 NVQ for actual manager level experience in 2 months! despite not being at that level, i'm doing all i can but i don't know how many more interviews i can prepare for and fail over and over again without any good reason now, it might sound silly to some people and fair enough. But essentially imagine getting to the point where you interview as good as you possibly can and then find out it doesn't matter?

Just feel so lost right now.
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Sounds like you're in quite the hole, mate.

I don't know about your personal finance situation, but it sounds like you aren't in a position to be able to pay off this company debt immediately. But don't despair. Get on gumtree/ebay and flog some stuff, tighten your belt, get it paid off and get out of there.

You've seemed hell bent on only looking for internal moves (maybe this debt has been a driver, I dunno), but it's clear to everyone here that you work in an utterly toxic company, and you are being crushed by the place. It's simply not healthy.

Get the calculator out, sort the finances out, and plan your escape route. But you simply cannot carry on like this. No more excuses. Go and put that NVQ to good use elsewhere.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
@Ashtonian a few things there mate. If you're being bullied and your complaints are being ignored. The next time a genuine bullying issue occurs raise a formal complaint with your line manager, if you get no response, tell him you'll go over his head to either HR (assuming you have one) or his boss. Put it all in writing but be sure that you're not embellishing anything. Bullying in the workplace can't be tolerated and speaking as someone who employs a decent number of people it's something that no senior manager would accept.

You say you're trapped by salary sacrifice payments, well you're not mate. How much do you owe in total? There's always alternatives mate.
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The Cowboy said:
Sounds like you're in quite the hole, mate.

I don't know about your personal finance situation, but it sounds like you aren't in a position to be able to pay off this company debt immediately. But don't despair. Get on gumtree/ebay and flog some stuff, tighten your belt, get it paid off and get out of there.

You've seemed hell bent on only looking for internal moves (maybe this debt has been a driver, I dunno), but it's clear to everyone here that you work in an utterly toxic company, and you are being crushed by the place. It's simply not healthy.

Get the calculator out, sort the finances out, and plan your escape route. But you simply cannot carry on like this. No more excuses. Go and put that NVQ to good use elsewhere.
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@Ashtonian

There's some good advice above.

Whatever you owe on salary sacrifice you should be able to find a way of dealing with it so you need to make a plan of some sort to do so.

How much is left to pay off ?

It's easy to find excuses, but, for whatever reason, your face doesn't fit where you are and you need to leave. So you need to dust your external CV off and start applying for jobs in other companies. The solution's in your own hands and, regardless of who's to blame, rather than blaming the company you're currently working in, you have to do the donkey work involved in moving on. If you don't, nothing will change.
 
Ashtonian said:
it was for a job rather than a second interview. They were looking for 17 people so i wasn't given one of them.

their basic reason was that my job is too hands on now and the new one is more liasing with people. That was it, nothing on my interview itself or that my answers didn't detail enough or anything like that. I had asked our management for support before this interview because it was a jump up for me, and all they did was pass it to someone with no experience interviewing at that level to just read off a sheet to me about questions they could ask (but weren't for the job type i went for).

Pretty much this is it now, i am isolated, more so that it is clear i just don't matter. I raise bullying issues, i am ignored, i talk about work issues, i am ignored. the one time i ask for interview advice and no-one makes time for me in the management. I keep getting failed interviews for stupid reasons, like the person who got it has done the job before, or no matter how great i interview i didn't mention the odd generic answer in the right place (yes i had that one, told them the answer but to the wrong question).

I can't leave because my place had a scheme to get things from your wages, pay over wages over a year or two. Got a couple of personal things, and a couple of necessities (washer and drier when they packed in) so i can't leave where i am now until i finished paying otherwise they would take it all out my wages and therefore i wouldn't have any money for a month. I can move elsewhere in the company i am in but not leave it, which limits me.

and yeah, it is just crushing now because i just can't get out of where i am, i can't get support where i am to help me get out, i feel just isolated, and like i don't matter now and it is just going to get worse for me due to changes coming in. I even asked for support in getting experience to help me and got shut down over that as well so literally nothing i can do. Hell i am due to finish a level 4 NVQ for actual manager level experience in 2 months! despite not being at that level, i'm doing all i can but i don't know how many more interviews i can prepare for and fail over and over again without any good reason now, it might sound silly to some people and fair enough. But essentially imagine getting to the point where you interview as good as you possibly can and then find out it doesn't matter?

Just feel so lost right now.
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Hey Ash

Not much of a help here, I'm really tired and inarticulate right now. Just wanted to say I'm thinking about you, and hope your situation improves.

You may feel lost but you're not alone. If you need a friendly ear, give me a shout mate (or post in here again). A problem shared and all that.
 
Ashtonian said:
it was for a job rather than a second interview. They were looking for 17 people so i wasn't given one of them.

their basic reason was that my job is too hands on now and the new one is more liasing with people. That was it, nothing on my interview itself or that my answers didn't detail enough or anything like that. I had asked our management for support before this interview because it was a jump up for me, and all they did was pass it to someone with no experience interviewing at that level to just read off a sheet to me about questions they could ask (but weren't for the job type i went for).

Pretty much this is it now, i am isolated, more so that it is clear i just don't matter. I raise bullying issues, i am ignored, i talk about work issues, i am ignored. the one time i ask for interview advice and no-one makes time for me in the management. I keep getting failed interviews for stupid reasons, like the person who got it has done the job before, or no matter how great i interview i didn't mention the odd generic answer in the right place (yes i had that one, told them the answer but to the wrong question).

I can't leave because my place had a scheme to get things from your wages, pay over wages over a year or two. Got a couple of personal things, and a couple of necessities (washer and drier when they packed in) so i can't leave where i am now until i finished paying otherwise they would take it all out my wages and therefore i wouldn't have any money for a month. I can move elsewhere in the company i am in but not leave it, which limits me.

and yeah, it is just crushing now because i just can't get out of where i am, i can't get support where i am to help me get out, i feel just isolated, and like i don't matter now and it is just going to get worse for me due to changes coming in. I even asked for support in getting experience to help me and got shut down over that as well so literally nothing i can do. Hell i am due to finish a level 4 NVQ for actual manager level experience in 2 months! despite not being at that level, i'm doing all i can but i don't know how many more interviews i can prepare for and fail over and over again without any good reason now, it might sound silly to some people and fair enough. But essentially imagine getting to the point where you interview as good as you possibly can and then find out it doesn't matter?

Just feel so lost right now.
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Apologies if this has been posted before but have you considered getting a coach? Someone with no connection to your employer? Could help you with interview prep, other strategies for getting a promotion or just working out an exit strategy that suits you. Can be a bit pricey but might be worth it if you're feeling stuck/trapped?
 

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