Ross Barkley

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Suddenly taking an interest in what pundits think when it suits? Jenas was an utter no mark player who wouldn't know a bit of attacking football if it hit him in the face. A completely ridiculous pundit who has never said anything that the average fan is not capable of seeing for himself. Jenas rates Spurs player higher than Everton player shocker. The same Alli who soiled his pants in the summer, a tournament that Ross' hard work landed him at. Jenas shouldn't even allow himself an opinion on a player like Barkley, it's like Tony Hibbert having a pop at Jordi Alba for his attacking football.

"That is partly as a result of some of the negative comments Koeman has made about him this season and also because he always seems to get moans and groans from the crowd if things do not go right for him"

The bloke has not watched an Everton game for about 4 months, that comment says all you need to know. Barkley looks 100x more confident than the nervous wreck he's been the past two seasons and was at the start of this season. Koeman actually managing him as a senior player and not babying him has done wonders for his all-round game.
 

Have u got the stats for completed dribbles?

His constant messi attempts which invariably ended in a dead end were the most frustrating aspect of his play.

Thankfully koeman has removed them from his game. Top managers do that sort of thing.

You are aware he's just made those figures up off the top of his head aren't you mate?
 
These Alli Barkley comparisons are woeful. This is the same Alli completely anonymous in the Euros and all forms of European competition for Spurs? He's a nothing player when he doesn't have Dembele backing him up and Eriksen pulling strings. I'll open myself to vaulting by saying Ross will do far more in the game than him.
 
Suddenly taking an interest in what pundits think when it suits? Jenas was an utter no mark player who wouldn't know a bit of attacking football if it hit him in the face. A completely ridiculous pundit who has never said anything that the average fan is not capable of seeing for himself. Jenas rates Spurs player higher than Everton player shocker. The same Alli who soiled his pants in the summer, a tournament that Ross' hard work landed him at. Jenas shouldn't even allow himself an opinion on a player like Barkley, it's like Tony Hibbert having a pop at Jordi Alba for his attacking football.
Dont shoot the messenger. I think that's what's happening here instead of dealing with the perfectly reasonable point he's making.
 
But what does that say about a manager if he adapts the very quality out of a player that had brought him to the attention of the nation's football public in the first place?

If you think Koeman has retained Barkley's flair then fine, that's your opinion. I certainly dont share it. If he was at a CL club the first instructions Barkley would receive would be 'get on the ball, go back to what you were doing and express yourself'.

What's happening is that we are trying to clip his wings to fit in with a different mentality: keep it tight, play it safe, work hard.

He really would be better off elsewhere from a purely footballing p.o.v. But the lad is an Evertonian and that complicates matters for him.

As much as you could feel sorry for any young multi-millionaire doing a job they love I feel some sympathy for Barkley atm.

i'm hoping we will be more expansive and exciting next season and ross will go along with this

i think this is a back to basics pragmatic season
 

Maybe has to do with the attacking players each team has Dave

Why also does a dribble mean it's creative, mcgeady used to dribble past the same man on two or three times - ultimately it's just a stat isn't it? Same type of stats you've regularly dismissed when others post them up.

When your trying to take on two to three players because there's no one beyond you besides a heavily marked striker, then ultimately barely a point except for the once in a blue moon highlight dribble and goal like against the barcodes.
So what are you saying exactly? You seem to be on the fence. Do you think the critique that Barkley has, in knuckling down, lost some of what made people sit up and notice of him in the first place or not?
 
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These Alli Barkley comparisons are woeful. This is the same Alli completely anonymous in the Euros and all forms of European competition for Spurs? He's a nothing player when he doesn't have Dembele backing him up and Eriksen pulling strings. I'll open myself to vaulting by saying Ross will do far more in the game than him.

did you see MNF at all mate? they were going on about Alli and how amazing he was against us. I thought he was absolutely anonymous bar falling on his arse about 15 times and then fair play he slotted a lovely finish but Barkley looked streets ahead of him.

Not saying he isn't a quality player because he slots and assists but I thought it was stupid to point out he had a great game when he barely broken sweat.
 
possibly, but the results are better atm...do these dribbles help us win the game?
Is that stat "successful dribbles" genuine question? Even if it is if it leads to more giveaways and putting the defense under pressure. It isn't exactly a helpful stat. Ultimately Koeman's job is to balance winning with team development, with the main focus on winning. Barkley has played well of late even against Spurs. So I think he has adjusted and hopefully will continue to push on
 
Have u got the stats for completed dribbles?

His constant messi attempts which invariably ended in a dead end were the most frustrating aspect of his play.

Thankfully koeman has removed them from his game. Top managers do that sort of thing.
The fact he had 8 goals and 8 assists last season seem to point in the direction there was end product.
 
i'm hoping we will be more expansive and exciting next season and ross will go along with this

i think this is a back to basics pragmatic season
It might be a matter of learning new disciplines and additions to his game to be integrated. It might be that the natural side of Ross's game is not valued and we wont see much more of the driving attacking intent of his early years at the club.

Whatever, it is a valid observation about what's going on right now.
 

He's playing too conservatively for me.

He did need to learn to keep it simple at times, that's for sure. But I see a player that doesn't do what comes natural anymore and that is to get on the ball and try and make things happen. Certainly not as often as he used to. If he's learned a bit of discipline about pitch craft then great. But the stick has been bent back too far in the opposite direction for me and the way he's being coached is discouraging his creativity.

I think he was crying out for the facets of the game he is displaying now mate, he needed to be more disciplined, he really didn't develop under Martinez if he had continued along that trajectory he would remain a one in five player in terms of effectiveness. He now influences every game albeit in a more disciplined way. What Ross has in creativity cant be coached its innate and will always be there, the coach able part of his game and displaying now can be. I still think he needs to hone his creative and disciplined skills and find the right balance but i look at that as a process rather then an event.

Th goal for Ross has to be to get to the level of Gerrard and Lampard.
 
But what does that say about a manager if he adapts the very quality out of a player that had brought him to the attention of the nation's football public in the first place?

If you think Koeman has retained Barkley's flair then fine, that's your opinion. I certainly dont share it. If he was at a CL club the first instructions Barkley would receive would be 'get on the ball, go back to what you were doing and express yourself'.

What's happening is that we are trying to clip his wings to fit in with a different mentality: keep it tight, play it safe, work hard.

He really would be better off elsewhere from a purely footballing p.o.v. But the lad is an Evertonian and that complicates matters for him.

As much as you could feel sorry for any young multi-millionaire doing a job they love I feel some sympathy for Barkley atm.
I understand where you are coming from Dave and I have a lot of empathy for your point of view. If Ross were a true creative number 10 I would have agreed fully with you. Problem is, having watched him for the last 4 years, and bear in mind he is absolutely my favourite player, I don't think he is a true number 10. He doesn't have that cuteness/subtlety to his play that he needs, and I just don't think it's in his make up. Players like Alli have it.

Ross is a bit of an enigma and finding the right role for him is probably one of RKs hardest jobs. RM tried to build his team around him which I can fully understand. But when you do that he has to deliver with goals and assists, similar to what Alli is doing now. Quite frankly, he has never delivered enough in that regard. But because he doesn't provide anything else to the team cause, the fans get on his back when things aren't happening for him. Not just that, the whole British media seems to have jumped on the bandwagon also. This "gives the ball away" myth is a prime example and totally untrue. I'm not surprised the lad's confidence was shot earlier in the season. Coincidentally, Alli, who gives the ball away far more than Ross, is given an absolutely free ride on this by the press and by his own fans.

What Koeman has done has changed Ross's role in the team into more of an all round midfielder, one which is able to fit into the team rather than have a team built around him. He's got him fit, got his work rate up and even got him tackling ffs. Slowly, Ross's confidence has come back, his performances have improved immensely, and the fans seem to be completely behind him now. We still rely on him to be our main creative influence because, at the moment, we have nobody else. But when he isn't doing magic in the final third nobody is getting on his back the way they used to because he's still contributing to the team performance. Take Sunday for instance, Everton were practically toothless as an attacking force, but Ross still came out of that game with a lot of credit. What we need, and both you and I have been crying out for this, is a creative player to play alongside and compliment Ross, and then we'd have the perfect combination.

Yes Ross has changed as a player, but I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing provided the club bring in somebody to work alongside him in the summer. I also think you'll see more of those dribbles than this years stats show. I just think he'll pick his moments and don't believer has actually told him not to take players on.

I also think Jenas' comments are wide of the mark. Had me made them months ago they would have been spot on. But we've seen a change in Ross this year and I don't think confidence is an issue with him now.
 
Suddenly taking an interest in what pundits think when it suits? Jenas was an utter no mark player who wouldn't know a bit of attacking football if it hit him in the face. A completely ridiculous pundit who has never said anything that the average fan is not capable of seeing for himself. Jenas rates Spurs player higher than Everton player shocker. The same Alli who soiled his pants in the summer, a tournament that Ross' hard work landed him at. Jenas shouldn't even allow himself an opinion on a player like Barkley, it's like Tony Hibbert having a pop at Jordi Alba for his attacking football.

Haha I moan about the same as jenas all the time....Barkley does cut back a lot and kills momentum ....fair assessment imo on all accounts. Barkley is not our main player but is showing signs of improvement with the current midfield behind him
 
What I find very interesting is the false narrative that he is hard to coach & doesn't take on board instructions.

Look at the evidence his two main club managers Martinez & Koeman have asked completely different things of him & he has for me followed their instructions perfectly hardly the act of an uncoachable player.
 

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