Ronald Koeman discussion

4737carlin · February 27, 2017

Nymzee said:
His uncharacteristic lack of pragmatism in the Sunderland game with his subs worried me a little but overall I'm very pleased with the season so far despite our horror patch. Tough few games ahead though that if we struggle in West Brom could leapfrog us *gulp*.

I think his subs were spot on! West Brom will be a much harder game so he is going to have to think a lot more about that one, but a win is vital

Nymzee · February 28, 2017

@jinkyali @4737carlin

I thought bringing on both Kev and Valencia on when we were both winning was pointless as the game was become stretched. Nothing wrong with shutting up shop at 1-0. I'd have swapped Lookman for Holgate, then eventually Davies for McCarthy and just killed it off then and there.

kithnou · February 28, 2017

Nymzee said:
@jinkyali @4737carlin

I thought bringing on both Kev and Valencia on when we were both winning was pointless as the game was become stretched. Nothing wrong with shutting up shop at 1-0. I'd have swapped Lookman for Holgate, then eventually Davies for McCarthy and just killed it off then and there.

Mate, if we are going to shut up shop at home against the bottom team then we are going nowhere as a mindset for me.

Nymzee · February 28, 2017

kithnou said:
Mate, if we are going to shut up shop at home against the bottom team then we are going nowhere as a mindset for me.

It's a results business who gives a crap if we shut up shop against Sunderland or Accrington. I wonder if Defoe's goal had gone in and Lukaku didn't score to see what you lot would have said about the subs.

Hong Kong Phooey · February 28, 2017

Nymzee said:
@jinkyali @4737carlin

I thought bringing on both Kev and Valencia on when we were both winning was pointless as the game was become stretched. Nothing wrong with shutting up shop at 1-0. I'd have swapped Lookman for Holgate, then eventually Davies for McCarthy and just killed it off then and there.

I don't understand these tactics and don't get me wrong, plenty do this. Moyes a prime example who would have done exactly as you've described.

But more often than not that results in the team sitting deep and inviting pressure, and on occasions conceding as a result.

I lost count of the times we conceded late goals under Moyes by "shutting up shop".

Nymzee · February 28, 2017

Hong Kong Phooey said:
I don't understand these tactics and don't get me wrong, plenty do this. Moyes a prime example who would have done exactly as you've described.

But more often than not that results in the team sitting deep and inviting pressure, and on occasions conceding as a result.

I lost count of the times we conceded late goals under Moyes by "shutting up shop".

Yeh I'm not saying it's fool-proof just on Saturday when we brought those two on I felt we were less protected in the middle and I was worried we were gonna concede for the first time in the game. Maybe I'm just boring but I've got too many horror memories of us bringing on attackers unnecessarily and us losing.

kithnou · February 28, 2017

Nymzee said:
It's a results business who gives a crap if we shut up shop against Sunderland or Accrington. I wonder if Defoe's goal had gone in and Lukaku didn't score to see what you lot would have said about the subs.

I'll never critise a manager that attacks against a rubbish team at home mate.

Nymzee · February 28, 2017

kithnou said:
I'll never critise a manager that attacks against a rubbish team at home mate.

I would if we ended up dropping points from a winning position. I'm not saying don't attack but at 1-0 with like 25 mins to go just chill out and shut the game down.

Jags..class · February 28, 2017

Nymzee said:
@jinkyali @4737carlin

I thought bringing on both Kev and Valencia on when we were both winning was pointless as the game was become stretched. Nothing wrong with shutting up shop at 1-0. I'd have swapped Lookman for Holgate, then eventually Davies for McCarthy and just killed it off then and there.

He many times did Moyes do that and we would conceded a goal

Cork Evertonian · February 28, 2017

Has it been mentioned yet that Koeman has already matched at the end of February.The pathetic 44 points total that Martinez scrambled together last season.

Nymzee · February 28, 2017

Jags..class said:
He many times did Moyes do that and we would conceded a goal

But this isn't Moyes or the same squad so super irrelevant.

Prevenger17 · February 28, 2017

Everton fans, of all people, should never decry a manager's decision to flood the field with defensive players when we're only 1-0 up.

jinkyali · February 28, 2017

Nymzee said:
Yeh I'm not saying it's fool-proof just on Saturday when we brought those two on I felt we were less protected in the middle and I was worried we were gonna concede for the first time in the game. Maybe I'm just boring but I've got too many horror memories of us bringing on attackers unnecessarily and us losing.

They had one shot on target all game

gav1985 · February 28, 2017

Thought his subs were spot on. We actually wrapped the game up when he brought the attacking subs on! Mirallas through ball with Valencia in the middle occupying a defender. Don't think there can be criticism of his subs for this game really.

d34noj · February 28, 2017

Nymzee said:
His uncharacteristic lack of pragmatism in the Sunderland game with his subs worried me a little but overall I'm very pleased with the season so far despite our horror patch. Tough few games ahead though that if we struggle in West Brom could leapfrog us *gulp*.

I like to call them 'the Bolosses'.