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So @Kever10 you think it's perfectly fine for a manager to sign one of his ex players, who he knows is injured and just happens to be one of his mates, to a contract so that he can get treatment on his new clubs dime? There's nothing about that at all which doesn't strike you as dodgy or sinister in any way?

I'd be interested to see people like yourselves reaction if someone like Harry Redknapp did something similar...
 

ianefc said:
I see what you're saying mate, but when I see that sentence I automatically see it as though you're or anyone who says it is trying to give a free pass to managers who 'achieve' those lowly positions.
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Nah, I wasnt a big fan of Moyes for example. Im bored of being average I just dont get overly upset about going from one level of average to another.

Looks like Koeman wont settle for average so good...
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
So @Kever10 you think it's perfectly fine for a manager to sign one of his ex players, who he knows is injured and just happens to be one of his mates, to a contract so that he can get treatment on his new clubs dime? There's nothing about that at all which doesn't strike you as dodgy or sinister in any way?

I'd be interested to see people like yourselves reaction if someone like Harry Redknapp did something similar...
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It seems like once you're a Martinez fan you're a Martinez fan.
 
ianefc said:
It seems like once you're a Martinez fan you're a Martinez fan.
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It's not like Martinez even made a habit of doing this either. Alcaraz was the only time he did this. Like I've said previously, you can make arguments for all of the other three Wigan players. Alcaraz is just indefensible and sticking to it so doggedly only hurts the overall Pro-Martinez case, because it makes that crowd look like they'll excuse anything Martinez did, even the stuff that was blatantly inexcusable

It casts doubt over every other argument made, even the valid ones, just as how the Anti-Martinez refusing to relent that Martinez did anything good makes them look blinkered and unreasonable

This thing works both ways, but both groups just can't seem to see that, and they probably won't until there's a few years distance and we've all moved on
 

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
It's not like Martinez even made a habit of doing this either. Alcaraz was the only time he did this. Like I've said previously, you can make arguments for all of the other three Wigan players. Alcaraz is just indefensible and sticking to it so doggedly only hurts the overall Pro-Martinez case, because it makes that crowd look like they'll excuse anything Martinez did, even the stuff that was blatantly inexcusable

It casts doubt over every other argument made, even the valid ones, just as how the Anti-Martinez refusing to relent that Martinez did anything good makes them look blinkered and unreasonable

This thing works both ways, but both groups just can't seem to see that, and they probably won't until there's a few years distance and we've all moved on
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He did do good things, I can admit that. There was this one Thursday where he gave an excellent press conference.
 
Papa Shango said:
I like the bloke. I always will for bringing Kendall back into the fold.

As a manager he obviously has his flaws and was rightly sacked.

Doesnt mean I dont think hes a good bloke.
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I said I thought he was a good bloke, in between his sacking and then when he demanded his £10m for being, as you say 'rightly sacked' and then I decided that was that for him.

I'm sure I praised him for bringing Kendall back too.
 
ianefc said:
He did do good things, I can admit that. There was this one Thursday where he gave an excellent press conference.
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Oh come now Ian, you're being unreasonable

Can't you just say that he had positives and negatives with the negatives eventually outweighing those positives and that's why he had to go?

Because I would personally see that as fair

I'm sure even Dave would tbh

Martinez brought a fair amount of good to the table, but he just wasn't up to the job

Don't hate him for failing, thank him for trying (And also give thanks that we seemingly got a good replacement in for him)
 

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
It's not like Martinez even made a habit of doing this either. Alcaraz was the only time he did this. Like I've said previously, you can make arguments for all of the other three Wigan players. Alcaraz is just indefensible and sticking to it so doggedly only hurts the overall Pro-Martinez case, because it makes that crowd look like they'll excuse anything Martinez did, even the stuff that was blatantly inexcusable

It casts doubt over every other argument made, even the valid ones, just as how the Anti-Martinez refusing to relent that Martinez did anything good makes them look blinkered and unreasonable

This thing works both ways, but both groups just can't seem to see that, and they probably won't until there's a few years distance and we've all moved on
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A Pro Martinez does not exist mate, this is a manager who used the foundations of 11 years of a David Moyes team to get his 72 points then
leaked 30 odd points in the next two seasons once his idea's bedded in. To suggest that Martinez was anything other than an unmitigated disaster would be nothing more than 'presenting alternative facts' to win an argument.

The facts people have posted proves this point
 
Toffeeslam said:
A Pro Martinez does not exist mate, this is a manager who used the foundations of 11 years of a David Moyes team to get his 72 points then
leaked 30 odd points in the next two seasons once his idea's bedded in. To suggest that Martinez was anything other than an unmitigated disaster would be nothing more than 'presenting alternative facts' to win an argument.

The facts people have posted proves this point
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So he did nothing good during his time here did he?

Because that's just blatantly wrong

I agree that he ultimately failed here, but failure and disaster are pretty far apart

It just seems strange to me to carry all that angst and hate around inside yourself

Yeah, he failed, that's why he's not here anymore, but don't pretend he didn't do good things that we're still benefiting from now, because he did. I wasn't a "Martinez Guy" and even I can admit that
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
So he did nothing good during his time here did he?

Because that's just blatantly wrong

I agree that he ultimately failed here, but failure and disaster are pretty far apart

It just seems strange to me to carry all that angst and hate around inside yourself

Yeah, he failed, that's why he's not here anymore, but don't pretend he didn't do good things that we're still benefiting from now, because he did. I wasn't a "Martinez Guy" and even I can admit that
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TBF, the Birthday emails were pretty sound, and the Christmas video.
 
roydo said:
TBF, the Birthday emails were pretty sound, and the Christmas video.
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He was a nice bloke who couldn't cut it as Everton manager, but he did some good things and gave us some good moments along the way, until he was rightly let go and we got a new manager in

That seems the most apt description of his time as manager to me. I'm sure Dave will think I'm not effusing enough praise and Ian will think I'm being too lenient. That would just prove to me that I've got it correct tbh
 
Just popped in to this thread
Seems to have nothing to do with goals on Sunday and everything to do with a spill over argument from the usual protagonists about Roberto Martinez who by the way is no longer here
Can't we gave a special thread fir Martinez bashing/supporting and leave the rest of the place in peace
 

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