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ianefc said:
Also I mention Leicester because Ranieri is another manager who gained massively from what went before. He's now gone back to the form he showed as a manager in his previous jobs, including what happened at Greece. He to will be out of a job soon.
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You see I think this is a point everyone in this thread (petty arguments aside) can agree on. All managers inherit teams, good, bad somewhere in between. Even the best of them fail for a while sooner or later. Martinez did a fantastic job with the squad he inherited and signed Lukaku (still our best player). Things went downhill fast but I think it's unrealistic for anyone to say that was due solely to Martinez's deficiencies - luck/players play their part.

I have zero ill will for Martinez. He tried his best and did some great things. He also lost his job (think about that in real life terms) when things didn't work out.

Notwithstanding all of the above, I'm glad we have Koeman and I think he deserves respect and support from all of us (as Kendall, Royle, Moyes,Martinez etc etc did when they sent out blue boys in to battle).

COYB
 

voodoobloo said:
You see I think this is a point everyone in this thread (petty arguments aside) can agree on. All managers inherit teams, good, bad somewhere in between. Even the best of them fail for a while sooner or later. Martinez did a fantastic job with the squad he inherited and signed Lukaku (still our best player). Things went downhill fast but I think it's unrealistic for anyone to say that was due solely to Martinez's deficiencies - luck/players play their part.

I have zero ill will for Martinez. He tried his best and did some great things. He also lost his job (think about that in real life terms) when things didn't work out.

Notwithstanding all of the above, I'm glad we have Koeman and I think he deserves respect and support from all of us (as Kendall, Royle, Moyes,Martinez etc etc did when they sent out blue boys in to battle).

COYB
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It's a nice sentiment. But Martinez only good league campaign as a PL manager (a very very very good one BTW) came on the back of Moyes work, if he'd backed it up on season two then my argument would be invalidated, I firmly believe he gained massively from the defence that Moyes left him (16 clean sheets season one) and added his style to that. But in time, as with all 6 of his other PL campaigns he's been a manager who can't defend. The stats do not lie.

Steve Bruce left Wigan in 11th place conceding 45 goals scoring 36 then at the end of Martinez first season Wigan finished 16th scored 37 and conceded 79 goals foll We'd by another 16th with 40 scored and 61 conceded then 15th scoring 42 conceding 62 and finally relegation scoring 47 conceding 73.

We all know what happened to us.

That's what I based my thoughts of him on, you won't do anything without being able to organise a defence.
 

ianefc said:
It's a nice sentiment. But Martinez only good league campaign as a PL manager (a very very very good one BTW) came on the back of Moyes work, if he'd backed it up on season two then my argument would be invalidated, I firmly believe he gained massively from the defence that Moyes left him (16 clean sheets season one) and added his style to that. But in time, as with all 6 of his other PL campaigns he's been a manager who can't defend. The stats do not lie.

Steve Bruce left Wigan in 11th place conceding 45 goals scoring 36 then at the end of Martinez first season Wigan finished 16th scored 37 and conceded 79 goals foll We'd by another 16th with 40 scored and 61 conceded then 15th scoring 42 conceding 62 and finally relegation scoring 47 conceding 73.

We all know what happened to us.

That's what I based my thoughts of him on, you won't do anything without being able to organise a defence.
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All great teams are built from the back. You'll never win the league with a porous defence, as illustrated by the RS when they very nearly won the league. Great flowing football, but with a poor defence and goalkeeper that ultimately cost them the title.
 

ianefc said:
Also I mention Leicester because Ranieri is another manager who gained massively from what went before. He's now gone back to the form he showed as a manager in his previous jobs, including what happened at Greece. He to will be out of a job soon.
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So Nigel Pearson won the PL then, you're saying?
 

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