New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[orly]

I'm sat on the train so I may as well answer you.

The right questions have been asked and everyone knows the answers, however the execution of the answers will take a little while longer.

Bill was determined to stay whilst he is a shareholder and he was determined to keep his team around him.

Bill will remain a shareholder until the stadium is all but built and as a result he and Jon will remain on the board until that time when Moshiri exercises his options.

Elstone's timings are less certain, but they wont be any longer than Jon and Bill's.

I'm a supporter so naturally positive, but the justification for my earlier comments is that I heard more progress tonight than I have done in the last 20 AGMs most of which I have attended. I make no apology for that.

Blimey, good of you to deign to do so. I've tagged you in because I'm not snidely having a go but I am prepared to go up against you on it - if you're not prepared to hear counter-arguments, fair enough. You'll get enough people lapping it up to not have to bother.

The right questions were asked were they? Not a single question was asked about the weird Vibrac style loan facility. Not a single question was asked about the questions asked under Parliamentary Privilege about Green, and not a single question was asked about why someone with a track record as murky as Keith Harris was appointed to the Board. But for those desperate to hear the good stuff, all the right questions were asked, sure.

Bill will remain a shareholder until the stadium is all but built and as a result he and Jon will remain on the board until that time when Moshiri exercises his options.

Elstone's timings are less certain, but they wont be any longer than Jon and Bill's.

So rather than the much needed Augean stables approach that was needed with the upper echelons of L4 the Club could well be lumbering on with Bill and cronies for months or years more. But hey, the right questions were asked.

I'm a supporter so naturally positive

So people who aren't so positive aren't supporters? Good luck justifying that one.

 

[The Esk]

So Moshiri wont exercise his options till the stadium is built??

No sorry poorly worded by me, he'll exercise his options once PP is completed and the build commences - ie once it's totally established it's being built

 

[The Esk]

Blimey, good of you to deign to do so. I've tagged you in because I'm not snidely having a go but I am prepared to go up against you on it - if you're not prepared to hear counter-arguments, fair enough. You'll get enough people lapping it up to not have to bother.

The right questions were asked were they? Not a single question was asked about the weird Vibrac style loan facility. Not a single question was asked about the questions asked under Parliamentary Privilege about Green, and not a single question was asked about why someone with a track record as murky as Keith Harris was appointed to the Board. But for those desperate to hear the good stuff, all the right questions were asked, sure.



So rather than the much needed Augean stables approach that was needed with the upper echelons of L4 the Club could well be lumbering on with Bill and cronies for months or years more. But hey, the right questions were asked.



So people who aren't so positive aren't supporters? Good luck justifying that one.

I think you are misinterpreting what I have said - the comment about answering you is in the context of me not wanting to be an active poster at this time - it was not personally directed at you. Apologies if it appeared that way.

If you've read some of the stuff I've written recently I have talked about governance and the need for independent directors in the club to address the issues you correctly raise. As was apparent at the 2015 AGM direct questioning in the meeting achieves nothing even if it should.

Supporters have every right to be positive or negative as they see fit. I am someone who seeks the positive as you well know.

 

[GwladysPhil]

In simpler terms, the majority who are easily pleased have done so without any concrete facts/information.

Everton fans have the right to be scepticle when Kenwright and Elstone are on centre stage.

I personally believe we will go through serious improvement thanks to Moshiri, but not to the level that will have us challenging for the top.

Also, despite income from sponsorship being increased by the "300%" figure, wouldn't every other top 10-15 team in the premier league receive the same increase due to television increases in USA and Middle East? It wouldn't suprise me if our sponsorships still aren't in the top 10 in the league next season.

 

[orly]

I think you are misinterpreting what I have said - the comment about answering you is in the context of me not wanting to be an active poster at this time - it was not personally directed at you. Apologies if it appeared that way.

If you've read some of the stuff I've written recently I have talked about governance and the need for independent directors in the club to address the issues you correctly raise. As was apparent at the 2015 AGM direct questioning in the meeting achieves nothing even if it should.

Supporters have every right to be positive or negative as they see fit. I am someone who seeks the positive as you well know.

I think I've read all of it - while I don't agree on a lot of it, I always find it good value, and as mentioned elsewhere, very high quality copy; much better than the rot served up by the rest of the Echo 'journos' and mental shout merchant Tony Scott.

I don't dispute that the direct questioning approach did not work last year. But what it did at least do was bring a lot of those questions (and the club's reticence) to a much wider audience and national media. I'd say it contributed in a way to the questions being asked under Parliamentary Privilege.

What I'm not comfortable at all with at the moment is that for some reason, Moshiri is treated like royalty wherever he goes with Evertonians at the moment, and no awkward questions can be asked in front of him. Not of him - just with him in the room for some reason. It seems to be that we are being asked to revere an individual BECAUSE he is our saviour billionaire (potentially) who (might) build us a stadium and (might) buy us lots of boss players and (might) get rid of Bill and co. And if those hard questions aren't being asked at the AGM, they aren't going to be asked anywhere else unless you are an MP.

The words are lovely, no doubt about it. I don't dispute that it might be a little tricky to get rid of Bill for now. But let's see some action. People talk about 10 months and expecting a stadium; no, but I do think 10 months is more than enough time for anyone with a serious ambition to replace a palpably terrible CEO.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

I think I've read all of it - while I don't agree on a lot of it, I always find it good value, and as mentioned elsewhere, very high quality copy; much better than the rot served up by the rest of the Echo 'journos' and mental shout merchant Tony Scott.

I don't dispute that the direct questioning approach did not work last year. But what it did at least do was bring a lot of those questions (and the club's reticence) to a much wider audience and national media. I'd say it contributed in a way to the questions being asked under Parliamentary Privilege.

What I'm not comfortable at all with at the moment is that for some reason, Moshiri is treated like royalty wherever he goes with Evertonians at the moment, and no awkward questions can be asked in front of him. Not of him - just with him in the room for some reason. It seems to be that we are being asked to revere an individual BECAUSE he is our saviour billionaire (potentially) who (might) build us a stadium and (might) buy us lots of boss players and (might) get rid of Bill and co. And if those hard questions aren't being asked at the AGM, they aren't going to be asked anywhere else unless you are an MP.

The words are lovely, no doubt about it. I don't dispute that it might be a little tricky to get rid of Bill for now. But let's see some action. People talk about 10 months and expecting a stadium; no, but I do think 10 months is more than enough time for anyone with a serious ambition to replace a palpably terrible CEO.

i'd loved to of seen some real evidence of who is actually going to be our sponsor, who is sponsoring Finch farm, some actuall written contracts or any sort of paperwork to back their claims up. instead we are left wondering, and when you actually work out the financial benefit of the 300% increase it is laughable really.

 

[orly]

i'd loved to of seen some real evidence of who is actually going to be our sponsor, who is sponsoring Finch farm, some actuall written contracts or any sort of paperwork to back their claims up. instead we are left wondering, and when you actually work out the financial benefit of the 300% increase it is laughable really.

If the sponsorship are self-sustaining, surely we aren't locking ourselves into a FIVE YEAR £15m shirt-and-training ground deal?

My feeling is that the Club are aware that if it is Sports Pesa or whatever they are called, it's a fairly repugnant betting firm; better to get the AGM out the way first where there might be some funny questions asked.

No idea at all why we would lock ourselves into a five year deal that weak. But it's Elstone, the man who gave us the Chang and Kitbag deals.

 

[Goat]

If the sponsorship are self-sustaining, surely we aren't locking ourselves into a FIVE YEAR £15m shirt-and-training ground deal?

My feeling is that the Club are aware that if it is Sports Pesa or whatever they are called, it's a fairly repugnant betting firm; better to get the AGM out the way first where there might be some funny questions asked.

No idea at all why we would lock ourselves into a five year deal that weak. But it's Elstone, the man who gave us the Chang and Kitbag deals.

Maybe its 75m a season over 5 years Friend?

 

[Frank Gallagher]

If the sponsorship are self-sustaining, surely we aren't locking ourselves into a FIVE YEAR £15m shirt-and-training ground deal?

My feeling is that the Club are aware that if it is Sports Pesa or whatever they are called, it's a fairly repugnant betting firm; better to get the AGM out the way first where there might be some funny questions asked.

No idea at all why we would lock ourselves into a five year deal that weak. But it's Elstone, the man who gave us the Chang and Kitbag deals.

if that is the case, then we are officially doomed in trying to catch up with the big boys.

its laughable, it really is.

our stock is higher than £15m a year as it is. what if we sneak a european spot this year or next, then weve cut our own nose off to spite our face... again.

and these clowns are trying to get us a world heritage site to build on. really ??!

 

[Moomin]

If the sponsorship are self-sustaining, surely we aren't locking ourselves into a FIVE YEAR £15m shirt-and-training ground deal?

My feeling is that the Club are aware that if it is Sports Pesa or whatever they are called, it's a fairly repugnant betting firm; better to get the AGM out the way first where there might be some funny questions asked.

No idea at all why we would lock ourselves into a five year deal that weak. But it's Elstone, the man who gave us the Chang and Kitbag deals.

Can we actually offer the naming rights to Finch Farm considering we rent it off the council, surely they will take a big cut of that.

 

[chewee]

It took Liverpool the best part of a decade to get their loft extension built. Moshiri has been here 10 months, relax it's going to take time to get right.

If we wanted Stonebridge we could have it up and running in a few years, the location and logistics around Barmley Moore make it a little me tricky. It's going to take time but it will get done.

Our council are investing heavily in infrastructure and both them and the club sound bullish about the prospects. We've also got a world class architect freely admitting he's drawing up plans for BM. This isn't going to be some run of the mill ikea flat pack stadium, its going to be iconic.

Look at how different things look to 12/18 months ago when Elstone stood on stage talking about Walton Hall Park - a scheme which was nothing more then a far fetched pipe dream. If I remember right during that AGM Anderson was ripping the idea to shreds on twitter as Elstone was still speaking (http://www.liverpoolexpress.co.uk/e...roject-statement-from-the-mayor-of-liverpool/)

 

[orly]

Maybe its 75m a season over 5 years Friend?

Maybe Friend, and if so, I am thinking we add Elstone to the Holy Trinity statue, a silent fourth member if you will.

 

[Toffeeslam]

It would have been reassuring to hear that land had been purchased subject to planning permission, as has been strongly rumoured.
Still, Elstone said the next 2-3 months are crucial, so hopefully a decision of some sort within that time scale.

The biggest issues is the lack of concrete information as to what's happening with this and exactly what progress has been made, its seem eerily familiar soundbites with " significant issues still remain" seems to be the mantra when asked about the stadium fo the last few years.

tempered what's been a good AGM overall

 

[chewee]

If we go out and spend upwards of £50 million this month then the 'fraud' concerns will ease and maybe then these plans will be taken seriously.

 

[RaleighBlue]

If the sponsorship are self-sustaining, surely we aren't locking ourselves into a FIVE YEAR £15m shirt-and-training ground deal?

My feeling is that the Club are aware that if it is Sports Pesa or whatever they are called, it's a fairly repugnant betting firm; better to get the AGM out the way first where there might be some funny questions asked.

No idea at all why we would lock ourselves into a five year deal that weak. But it's Elstone, the man who gave us the Chang and Kitbag deals.

At first I thought these were separate deals, and was excited. Now I see much information suggesting that they are the same deal...making it less than stellar (how much improvement on the Chang deal did we really get vs how much did we just sell naming rights to FF?)

Is there something that clarifies if both of these deals are what have contributed to the 75m figure? I've seen a few quotes...perhaps this will become clearer in time.

But make no mistake, if it really is 15m a season for 5 seasons for both primary shirt sponsor AND training ground naming rights...that's not brilliant.