Enner Valencia

ijjysmith · January 4, 2017

Ashtonian said:
I'm saying the crap fans, i.e ones who jump on the lads back because they don't want the club to sign him so they criticise him and won't appreciate what he can do in the team now. Not aimed at anyone as i haven't trawled through the thread. Just saying in the perspective that not everyone praising valencia wants the club to sign him necessarily, just a decent fan can praise him without suddenly calling him 'the answer' so to speak.

Perhaps my words could have been re worded differently to what i really mean, not accusatory, just making the point that generally as fans we can praise him without wanting him long term.

Why can't we just praise him when he does well and hate him when he's crap?

Ashtonian · January 4, 2017

ijjysmith said:
Why can't we just praise him when he does well and hate him when he's crap?

That is what i mean, just don't get how people can be so against him (again not aiming it) just because they don't want him at the club next year.

I think he is terrible, but is the best attacking option we have away from rom so absolutely play him in the team right now.

ijjysmith · January 4, 2017

Ashtonian said:
That is what i mean, just don't get how people can be so against him (again not aiming it) just because they don't want him at the club next year.

I think he is terrible, but is the best attacking option we have away from rom so absolutely play him in the team right now.

Crap fan you. Give him a chance.

banno · January 4, 2017

Ashtonian said:
That is what i mean, just don't get how people can be so against him (again not aiming it) just because they don't want him at the club next year.

I think he is terrible, but is the best attacking option we have away from rom so absolutely play him in the team right now.

He is doing a job by freeing up Rom and causing problems with his energy and direct running. Just like you I don't think he is the answer but makes it perfectly clear we need someone similar (better and can score goals) to play with and get the best from Rom. Koeman used him perfectly against Soton as they couldn't cope with his energy at that stage of the game and Rom came into his own. Also helped the midfielders with an extra target ahead of them. Does a decent job but I am sure we can get better.

ijjysmith · January 4, 2017

He was crap against Hull and there's nothing wrong with saying that he was.

He was good against Saints and there's nothing wrong with saying that he was.

MikeH72 · January 4, 2017

ijjysmith said:
He was crap against Hull and there's nothing wrong with saying that he was.

He was good against Saints and there's nothing wrong with saying that he was.

I have a theory, that he may have looked crap in games up until Southampton because he's a striker being played on the wing.

ijjysmith · January 4, 2017

mikeh72 said:
I have a theory, that he may have looked crap in games up until Southampton because he's a striker being played on the wing.

But he doesn't play on the wing even when he's supposed to be. His instinct takes him forward to the middle.

Which is both good and bad when he's meant to be wide.

We just generally look better in a 442 to me.

MikeH72 · January 4, 2017

ijjysmith said:
But he doesn't play on the wing even when he's supposed to be. His instinct takes him forward to the middle.

Which is both good and bad when he's meant to be wide.

We just generally look better in a 442 to me.

Yeah but he's clearly not been played next to Lukaku in most games, his starting position has been wide right so as a result he's seen most of the ball in that area. Yeah we definitely do, we don't have the players to play the 4-2-3-1 which is why it infuriates me that we've persisted with it for so long. It's no coincidence we were crap on Monday once DCL had to go off and we reverted back to it, and then picked up again when Valencia came on up front.

Ashtonian · January 4, 2017

banno said:
He is doing a job by freeing up Rom and causing problems with his energy and direct running. Just like you I don't think he is the answer but makes it perfectly clear we need someone similar (better and can score goals) to play with and get the best from Rom. Koeman used him perfectly against Soton as they couldn't cope with his energy at that stage of the game and Rom came into his own. Also helped the midfielders with an extra target ahead of them. Does a decent job but I am sure we can get better.

Aye he certainly is the best we have now to play that role so by all means play him now. What i can't personally forget is that despite the goal this week, he isn't a very good goalscorer, and generally we do need that position if perminant to be chipping in with more goals throughout the season. There is a reason why West ham didn't want him, so i wouldn't want the club then thinking they don't need better.

but in the strange scenario he chipped in with a fair few goals this season now he is getting a run in the team then i would be happy to change my tune on him. Can't argue with the results in that scenario!

evertonarntwe · January 4, 2017

He's alrite, he's on loan cant complain... doing a similar job to what Kone was doing last year when he was in the team

Tel001 · January 4, 2017

mikeh72 said:
I have a theory, that he may have looked crap in games up until Southampton because he's a striker being played on the wing.

I have a theory that he's crap becuase his goal record is terrible and he was a panic buy on loan from the mighty west ham

arch stanton · January 4, 2017

Zatara said:
If someone this bad can make a difference then we should sign a top player and see what happens.

remember years ago when we signed Beardsley, he was so much better than the rest of the side it was embarrassing, he was past his best too.

Tel001 · January 4, 2017

arch stanton said:
remember years ago when we signed Beardsley, he was so much better than the rest of the side it was embarrassing, he was past his best too.

That was the first time football broke my heart... I worshiped him and nev.... I literally wanted to give up on football when we sold him (against his wishes) ..... for 1M ... because Howard wanted money for dion Dublin... to make it worse Beardsley was awesome for Newcastle and was still one of the best players in the league

Brendan Janus · January 4, 2017

Tel001 said:
That was the first time football broke my heart... I worshiped him and nev.... I literally wanted to give up on football when we sold him (against his wishes) ..... for 1M ... because Howard wanted money for dion Dublin... to make it worse Beardsley was awesome for Newcastle and was still one of the best players in the league

Yeh, Beardo never wanted to leave us, what a player, a shining light for two seasons in a team that was basically shoite !!