Ronald Koeman discussion

[boris]

Simple. Moshiri came in last February which made the difference. Don't forget the new tv deal came to force for a year so the prices nowadays are inflated. The Mosh had seen enough and sacked RM which was the best thing happened to the club.

Why didn't you mention Niasse £13.5m, Kone £6m and McCarthy costed around £2m actually. That's £20m alone flush down the toilet.

You can't use Moyes as comparsion because he can buy cheap and sell high. An eye for good players for small sum. Arteta, Cahill, Coleman (wow), Jagielka, Lescott and Pienaar. All were bought for low-mid range fees and performed.

Kone was a bad buy but should still be involved now, as bad as he's been he actually started the season quite well. Niasse hasn't cost £13million and was basically a buy he could gamble on as the club was prepared to accept a cheap down payment and loads of clauses which will now never be met. Mcgeady was 250k, I have no idea were you're getting £2 million from.

Moyes spent low money well but he also had his misses in that market which happens, as been the case with Martinez. Moyes was very poor with big money, although we were lucky he was the only one interested in buying Fellaini again, and it was at over the odds which makes him look a better buy than he actually was. I think all his other big money buys were generally poor and I trusted Martinez much more with big dough.

 

[ijjysmith]

So many mental figures being lobbed about.

 

[tim cahill]

Kone was a bad buy but should still be involved now, as bad as he's been he actually started the season quite well. Niasse hasn't cost £13million and was basically a buy he could gamble on as the club was prepared to accept a cheap down payment and loads of clauses which will now never be met. Mcgeady was 250k, I have no idea were you're getting £2 million from.

Moyes spent low money well but he also had his misses in that market which happens, as been the case with Martinez. Moyes was very poor with big money, although we were lucky he was the only one interested in buying Fellaini again, and it was at over the odds which makes him look a better buy than he actually was. I think all his other big money buys were generally poor and I trusted Martinez much more with big dough.

Where have you seen that about Niasse?

Moyes only signings for £10+ were Yakubu and Fellaini. Both were good deals.

 

[boris]

Circumstances had now changed. Moshiri is not Kenwright. And who did Koeman and Walsh paid over the odd? Yes Bolasie because we can't get the big names in and was desperated to sign new players last August.

Apart form Gueye, our transfer business was poor and what is more worrying is the very near misses we have had. Far too many list but you know who they are.

Bolaise who I always wanted and liked is a decent player but was never, ever, worth the money we paid. Williams is bang average, I've seen nothing at all in him and he was a waste of 10 million. Stek, well I've made my feelings known on him, really poor (Joel is better although he's not good enough) and Valencia is ok on a loan. The last 2 though are in the free, nominal, loan market so I am not too bothered by them, they're hit or miss.

 

[MACCA75]

Kone was a bad buy but should still be involved now, as bad as he's been he actually started the season quite well. Niasse hasn't cost £13million and was basically a buy he could gamble on as the club was prepared to accept a cheap down payment and loads of clauses which will now never be met. Mcgeady was 250k, I have no idea were you're getting £2 million from.

Moyes spent low money well but he also had his misses in that market which happens, as been the case with Martinez. Moyes was very poor with big money, although we were lucky he was the only one interested in buying Fellaini again, and it was at over the odds which makes him look a better buy than he actually was. I think all his other big money buys were generally poor and I trusted Martinez much more with big dough.

Trusted Martinez more with big money? Crazy. You have no idea how much we paid up front for Niasse.

Moyes big money signings were decent. Fellaini was a good signing, Yak had he not got a bad injury, was a good signing. Only Bilya was a let down, but he was absolutely nowhere near the scale of Niasse bad.

 

[boris]

Where have you seen that about Niasse?

Moyes only signings for £10+ were Yakubu and Fellaini. Both were good deals.

We lost 10 million on Yakubu because Moyes fell out with him. We let him rot on the bench cause of a personal fall out whilst we struggled for goals and then we let him go to Blackburn for free and he started banging goals in again. Yak had history for this but it was poor man management by him and cost us £10 million.

Billy cost a fortune but his fee was clause related also but still cost us a lot. Andy Jonson was also £12 million+ but we got a lot back on him.

He broke our transfer record on 5 occasions I think and none of them were a roaring success, although at least we recoup our money on Fellaini, thanks to him.

Beattie, Davies, Jonston, Yakubu and Fellaini, all more misses than hits.

 

[hktoffee]

Kone was a bad buy but should still be involved now, as bad as he's been he actually started the season quite well. Niasse hasn't cost £13million and was basically a buy he could gamble on as the club was prepared to accept a cheap down payment and loads of clauses which will now never be met. Mcgeady was 250k, I have no idea were you're getting £2 million from.

Moyes spent low money well but he also had his misses in that market which happens, as been the case with Martinez. Moyes was very poor with big money, although we were lucky he was the only one interested in buying Fellaini again, and it was at over the odds which makes him look a better buy than he actually was. I think all his other big money buys were generally poor and I trusted Martinez much more with big dough.

I don't know where you get the £250k figure. It was stated as undisclosed officially. The Express said it was £1.5m; Transfermarkt said £2m; Wiki said £1.7m.

Moyes's big money miss were Kroldrup bought for £5m sold for £3.5m. Bily bought for £8.9m sold for £5.5m. That's about it?? Martinez only great big money signing was Lukaku. Niasse (£13.5m) and Kone (£6m) were horrendous signings. McCarthy (£13m) was ok we would probably get our money back due to inflated market.

 

[boris]

I don't know where you get the £250k figure. It was stated as undisclosed officially. The Express said it was £1.5m; Transfermarkt said £2m; Wiki said £1.7m.

Moyes's big money miss were Kroldrup bought for £5m sold for £3.5m. Bily bought for £8.9m sold for £5.5m. That's about it?? Martinez only great big money signing was Lukaku. Niasse (£13.5m) and Kone (£6m) were horrendous signings. McCarthy (£13m) was ok we would probably get our money back due to inflated market.

McGeady was 250k as he could actually sign for nothing at the time on a Bosman but they accepted 250k to let him go 4 months early. This is the same McGeady Moyes wanted to sign.

Billy sold for 5.5?? Your just making figures up in your head now, there is no point in discussing this any further with you with nonsense like this.

 

[tim cahill]

We lost 10 million on Yakubu because Moyes fell out with him. We let him rot on the bench cause of a personal fall out whilst we struggled for goals and then we let him go to Blackburn for free and he started banging goals in again. Yak had history for this but it was poor man management by him and cost us £10 million.

Billy cost a fortune but his fee was clause related also but still cost us a lot. Andy Jonson was also £12 million+ but we got a lot back on him.

He broke our transfer record on 5 occasions I think and none of them were a roaring success, although at least we recoup our money on Fellaini, thanks to him.

Beattie, Davies, Jonston, Yakubu and Fellaini, all more misses than hits.

Johnson was £8.5m and we sold him for profit. Fellaini we made £13m profit and was one of our best players, Yakubu was our first striker in a long time to get 20 goals and wasn't the same after his injury. Beattie was only about £6m and we recouped most of what we paid. Davies was less than £4m. Hardly big money, even then.

 

[hktoffee]

We lost 10 million on Yakubu because Moyes fell out with him. We let him rot on the bench cause of a personal fall out whilst we struggled for goals and then we let him go to Blackburn for free and he started banging goals in again. Yak had history for this but it was poor man management by him and cost us £10 million.

Billy cost a fortune but his fee was clause related also but still cost us a lot. Andy Jonson was also £12 million+ but we got a lot back on him.

He broke our transfer record on 5 occasions I think and none of them were a roaring success, although at least we recoup our money on Fellaini, thanks to him.

Beattie, Davies, Jonston, Yakubu and Fellaini, all more misses than hits.

Forgot about Yakubu yes should have sold him to Spurs when his price tag was high. We sold him to Blackburn for a small fee like £1.5m.

AJ was bought for £8.6m and sold to Fulham for £10.5m we made a profit actually.

Moyes was a success. The profit on Lescott, alone, had covered all the losses on transfer fees.

 

[Khalekan]

I think Manu have a significantly better squad than us to be honest. As do all of the sides above us. Rom aside, our squad isn't much better than the teams below us. 7th would be a good result this season. If January and the summer go well I'd hope we could step up from there though.

No doubt United have a far better squad than us.

But that has no bearing on the fact we have won three matches since the middle of September and dropped points against the two teams filling the bottom two places in recent weeks.

Unfortunately we are now having to live with the new normal.....in which "best of the rest" means winning the 7th Place Trophy rather than the 5th Place Trophy.

 

[orly]

What do you want? I was responding to another poster. It was none of your business. Put me on ignore.

It's a forum, so we can comment on each other's posts.

Why are you so obsessed with Martinez? It's quite weird. He isn't Everton manager anymore.

 

[hktoffee]

McGeady was 250k as he could actually sign for nothing at the time on a Bosman but they accepted 250k to let him go 4 months early. This is the same McGeady Moyes wanted to sign.

Billy sold for 5.5?? Your just making figures up in your head now, there is no point in discussing this any further with you with nonsense like this.

You are surrendering? I ask you what is your source? I mentioned my sources.

Transfermarkt said we sold Bily for £6.7m. The Guardian said £5m. I did not make this up like you said McGeady was bought for £250k.

I can give your the URL links I can get you quotation and reference.

 

[Moomin]

It's a forum, so we can comment on each other's posts.

Why are you so obsessed with Martinez? It's quite weird. He isn't Everton manager anymore.

He'll deny he said anything and then go off crying.

Anyway, this a thread about Koeman so can people stay on topic.

 

[boris]

It's a forum, so we can comment on each other's posts.

Why are you so obsessed with Martinez? It's quite weird. He isn't Everton manager anymore.

It's all very strange, he can't seem to think rational.

No one disputes Martinez had to go, he'd lost the dressing room, but this fella can't even have a sensible discussion about him.