Ronald Koeman discussion

Dirty Dutch · January 2, 2017

Blue Cheese said:
Mate you can't handle @davek, you will end up banned, he gets under your skin I can see it.

Cant handle?? I just asked him a question, didnt knew you get banned that easily. But i'm back from suspension and ready for 3 points

I think we'll win today with the best hoofball you've ever seen :dance:

tim cahill · January 2, 2017

Walken said:
Anyone who wants to take the 7th place trophy from us can wrestle it from our cold dead hands, these are great days bros

Do you think we should be any higher with this squad?

hktoffee · January 2, 2017

The Penalty Box Dancer said:
When Martinez was sacked he said he never got the opportunity to do what he wanted. The summer just gone, arm him with 50-60m who would he sign? He could always pull off a coup but could also pay over the odds for garbage. We will never know but he had lost a lot of respect and couldn't carry on anyway.

Moshiri did not trust him. The fans wanted him gone. And he lost the dressing room. 11th and 12th really do you trust him with the big budget?

orly · January 2, 2017

hktoffee said:
Moshiri did not trust him. The fans wanted him gone. And he lost the dressing room. 11th and 12th really do you trust him with the big budget?

You're more obsessed with Martinez than @davek , blimey

hktoffee · January 2, 2017

orly said:
You're more obsessed with Martinez than @davek , blimey

What do you want? I was responding to another poster. It was none of your business. Put me on ignore.

Gwladysstreetlad · January 2, 2017

The Penalty Box Dancer said:
When Martinez was sacked he said he never got the opportunity to do what he wanted.

More lies and verbal diarrhoea from the charlatan. He had six transfer windows and was given more money then any Everton manager has ever been given yet he left us with this horrendous side. He was afforded leway and patience from Evertonians for a good 18months despite awful results on a weekly basis. What exactly was the opportunity he wanted? To see if the championship was more his level?!

Khalekan · January 2, 2017

tim cahill said:
Do you think we should be any higher with this squad?

Maybe not.

But we should be a lot closer than nine points behind the team above us.

We should be doing better than three wins in fifteen games.

boris · January 2, 2017

hktoffee said:
No they were not some of them caused transfer fees.

Don't try to make out RM worked under difficult restrictions. He had £16/17m net spend per season. For all these bad signings you got to pay them wages for 3/4 years. Now it is difficult to get rid of them and this restricts Koeman's transfer strategy.

He did work under restrictions, could he have came in an bought 18 new players like Koeman expects to??

He only wanted one last year, Yarmalenko, who would have addressed a massive hole in our team now yet we couldn't afford to take that happen.

The fees you mentioned are nominal for Alcatraz who was an ok 4th choice and 250k for McGeady who Moyes tried to sign as there was players who potentially could do a job, on the cheap, and had played at quite a high level. Filling the squad with players like this allowed us to sign Lukaku who we'll sell 80 million.

Give Koeman 17 mill a season to spend as you say and he'd walk out on us. Not that he had 17 million per season as the inflated fees for Niasse and RFM are all clause related but that's another argument.

boris · January 2, 2017

hktoffee said:
Moshiri did not trust him. The fans wanted him gone. And he lost the dressing room. 11th and 12th really do you trust him with the big budget?

I did trust him spending money yes, but his time had come as he'd lost the dressing room (which has happened to some of the best around by the way).

I trusted him with big money much more than I trust Koeman though.

ijjysmith · January 2, 2017

Khalekan said:
Maybe not.

But we should be a lot closer than nine points behind the team above us.

We should be doing better than three wins in fifteen games.

Why should we? Yes we'd like to be but why should years of doing things like this change so easily and quickly?

tim cahill · January 2, 2017

Khalekan said:
Maybe not.

But we should be a lot closer than nine points behind the team above us.

We should be doing better than three wins in fifteen games.

I think Manu have a significantly better squad than us to be honest. As do all of the sides above us. Rom aside, our squad isn't much better than the teams below us. 7th would be a good result this season. If January and the summer go well I'd hope we could step up from there though.

hktoffee · January 2, 2017

boris said:
He did work under restrictions, could he have came in an bought 18 new players like Koeman expects to??

He only wanted one last year, Yarmalenko, who would have addressed a massive hole in our team now yet we couldn't afford to take that happen.

The fees you mentioned are nominal for Alcatraz who was an ok 4th choice and 250k for McGeady who Moyes tried to sign as there was players who potentially could do a job, on the cheap, and had played at quite a high level. Filling the squad with players like this allowed us to sign Lukaku who we'll sell 80 million.

Give Koeman 17 mill a season to spend as you say and he'd walk out on us. Not that he had 17 million per season as the inflated fees for Niasse and RFM are all clause related but that's another argument.

Simple. Moshiri came in last February which made the difference. Don't forget the new tv deal came to force for a year so the prices nowadays are inflated. The Mosh had seen enough and sacked RM which was the best thing happened to the club.

Why didn't you mention Niasse £13.5m, Kone £6m and McCarthy costed around £2m actually. That's £20m alone flush down the toilet.

You can't use Moyes as comparsion because he can buy cheap and sell high. An eye for good players for small sum. Arteta, Cahill, Coleman (wow), Jagielka, Lescott and Pienaar. All were bought for low-mid range fees and performed.

ChrisBlue · January 2, 2017

hktoffee said:
Simple. Moshiri came in last February which made the difference. Don't forget the new tv deal came to force for a year so the prices nowadays are inflated. The Mosh had seen enough and sacked RM which was the best thing happened to the club.

Why didn't you mention Niasse £13.5m, Kone £6m and McCarthy costed around £2m actually. That's £20m alone flush down the toilet.

You can't use Moyes as comparsion because he can buy cheap and sell high. An eye for good players for small sum. Arteta, Cahill, Coleman (wow), Jagielka, Lescott and Pienaar. All were bought for low-mid range fees and performed.

McCarthy was 15m, He also spent 30m on Lukaku breaking our transfer record

hktoffee · January 2, 2017

boris said:
I did trust him spending money yes, but his time had come as he'd lost the dressing room (which has happened to some of the best around by the way).

I trusted him with big money much more than I trust Koeman though.

Circumstances had now changed. Moshiri is not Kenwright. And who did Koeman and Walsh paid over the odd? Yes Bolasie because we can't get the big names in and was desperated to sign new players last August.