Ross Barkley

[paulbefc]

Neither the "he's surrounded by crap players" or "we don't support him enough" make any sense as explanations as to why he is under-performing to me.

Lukaku shows that you can be heavily and unfairly criticised (easily as much as Barkley) at a young age, not let it bother you and continue to develop well as a player towards your full potential.

Lukaku also shows that being surrounded by crap players needn't stunt your development. Barkley has put in great performances on occasion while surrounded by "crap players" (apart, obviously from the top class striker he plays alongside).

The two are extremely similar in many ways. They're the same age, playing for the same team, both are internationals, they're both talented (Barkley being the more talented in my view) and both have had to deal with high expectations.

Pretty much the only big, but crucial, difference between the two is one is clearly very single-minded and driven to achieve his career goals, with complete confidence in his ability and is able to handle set-backs, constant scrutiny, criticism, high expectations and bad performances. The other apparently has literally none of these qualities. That's the fault of neither the fans nor his teammates. You cannot get to the top of the game (which is where talents like Barkley belong) without being tested at some point by the above obstacles.

 

[PITA]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../steven-gerrard-everton-fans-ruining-12391566

I hate to say it but this article is spot on.

Steven Gerrard - Everton fans are ruining Ross Barkley's confidence

Two ex-RS on the panel. Who would believe it?

Then again, it was Carragher and Redknapp in the studio for the Hull v Everton game.
Today, on Sky, it's Souness and Carragher.

If anyone can't see that this is wrong then they are blind.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Two ex-RS on the panel. Who would believe it?

Then again, it was Carragher and Redknapp in the studio for the Hull v Everton game.
Today, on Sky, it's Souness and Carragher.

If anyone can't see that this is wrong then they are blind.

Not doubting that for a second mate. They do occasinally talk a bit of sense though.

 

[Exeter Gently]

Gerrard knows we have no money to spend

That's why he brought up the fee we received for Stones and we spent

Worrying

what would Gerrard know about our financial situation?

 

[ChrisBlue]

what would Gerrard know about our financial situation?

He probably hears things within football circles mate

I'm sure he knows more than Esk who seems to be well trusted

 

[balggy]

Bit unusual to see so many ex players (all kopites btw), having a pop at a manager so publicly. Redknapp, Charagher and Gerrard all criticising Koeman for criticising Barkley.

 

[kenada_blue]

Neither the "he's surrounded by crap players" or "we don't support him enough" make any sense as explanations as to why he is under-performing to me.

Lukaku shows that you can be heavily and unfairly criticised (easily as much as Barkley) at a young age, not let it bother you and continue to develop well as a player towards your full potential.

Lukaku also shows that being surrounded by crap players needn't stunt your development. Barkley has put in great performances on occasion while surrounded by "crap players" (apart, obviously from the top class striker he plays alongside).

The two are extremely similar in many ways. They're the same age, playing for the same team, both are internationals, they're both talented (Barkley being the more talented in my view) and both have had to deal with high expectations.

Pretty much the only big, but crucial, difference between the two is one is clearly very single-minded and driven to achieve his career goals, with complete confidence in his ability and is able to handle set-backs, constant scrutiny, criticism, high expectations and bad performances. The other apparently has literally none of these qualities. That's the fault of neither the fans nor his teammates. You cannot get to the top of the game (which is where talents like Barkley belong) without being tested at some point by the above obstacles.

Lukaku's all round game is poor though. He nets. Thats it. Thats his end product to disguise his faults. He can have shockers but score so people will take it easy.

Barkley could run a midfield in a game but because he didn't score or get an assist, he'll get criticised for it. He has to have that all round game and do it 4 games in a row to get people off his back.

Theres the difference.

 

[PITA]

Bit unusual to see so many ex players (all kopites btw), having a pop at a manager so publicly. Redknapp, Charagher and Gerrard all criticising Koeman for criticising Barkley.

Notice that it's OK to openly criticise all things Everton but when Neville criticised Karius they closed ranks. That criticism was clearly valid given that he has since been passed over for Mignolet.

 

[Exeter Gently]

He probably hears things within football circles mate

I'm sure he knows more than Esk who seems to be well trusted

Mate you chat wham.

 

[paulbefc]

Lukaku's all round game is poor though. He nets. Thats it. Thats his end product to disguise his faults. He can have shockers but score so people will take it easy.

Barkley could run a midfield in a game but because he didn't score or get an assist, he'll get criticised for it. He has to have that all round game and do it 4 games in a row to get people off his back.

Theres the difference.

He could run a game, he just rarely does. He's more likely to play a passive role in games.

He usually plays a position very important to our link up with the striker and chance creation. In this position he could also mask any underperformance with assists for the great finisher he plays with, but doesn't. That's the difference for me.

 

[ChrisBlue]

Mate you chat wham.

So you think Gerrard wouldn't have connections within football who have info on what's going on at Everton?

But some fella who posts on an Everton forum does

 

[PITA]

Not doubting that for a second mate. They do occasinally talk a bit of sense though.

Of course they talk some sense at times but we need to question their agenda. They don't seem to have a good word to say whereas Redknapp said the other day that Liverpool deserve to win the league and it will be good for football. The problem is that most fans listen to the garbage they promote. The ability to influence the media should not be underestimated.

 

[PITA]

He probably hears things within football circles mate

I'm sure he knows more than Esk who seems to be well trusted

I used to teach Maths to StevieMe and I can assure you that he would struggle to understand the difference between an asset and a liability.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Of course they talk some sense at times but we need to question their agenda. They don't seem to have a good word to say whereas Redknapp said the other day that Liverpool deserve to win the league and it will be good for football. The problem is that most fans listen to the garbage they promote. The ability to influence the media should not be underestimated.

I touched on that earlier. What do they have to gain by having an agenda against us? We're so far off where they are it's embarrassing.

 

[Tel001]

Lukaku's all round game is poor though. He nets. Thats it. Thats his end product to disguise his faults. He can have shockers but score so people will take it easy.

Barkley could run a midfield in a game but because he didn't score or get an assist, he'll get criticised for it. He has to have that all round game and do it 4 games in a row to get people off his back.

Theres the difference.

Mate!!! Your talking pooh... please tell me when ross has been critised after running a game? Also he has never done it 4 times in the trot. He gets abuse because he wanders around the pitch not challenging for the ball and showing no effort or passion. When things don't go your way , you need to put the work in or else the fans won't like it... it's that simple