I'd rather have Martinez back

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Stek, Williams, Gana, Bolasie.

Sorry 4, plus chuck in Valencia.

The other major starters are Coleman, Jags, Barry, BArkley, Mirallas, Del, Rom and McCarthy, MOri

So Martinez is only responsible for 4 players
And that's the problem. The team this season has been made up of 4 Moyes players 3 Martinez and 4 Koeman.

Baring in mind Koeman and Walsh only had 1/2 a window together, that's a really sad reflection on Martinez' time here that after 36 months and 6 transfer windows we are still reliant on more Moyes players then Martinez.

Don't you think?
 

And that's the problem. The team this season has been made up of 4 Moyes players 3 Martinez and 4 Koeman.

Baring in mind Koeman and Walsh only had 1/2 a window together, that's a really sad reflection on Martinez' time here that after 36 months and 6 transfer windows we are still reliant on more Moyes players then Martinez.

Don't you think?


You're right Ian. Moyes IN
 

Shocking I know, but at least the football resembled something entertaining.

What's been offered recently is akin to dirty dishwater. Might as well sign Andy Carroll to go with the hoofball.

It's not Everton at all.

Seriously mate? The first season was entertaining football but 2nd and 3rd were horrendous. We didn't play good football
 
And that's the problem. The team this season has been made up of 4 Moyes players 3 Martinez and 4 Koeman.

Baring in mind Koeman and Walsh only had 1/2 a window together, that's a really sad reflection on Martinez' time here that after 36 months and 6 transfer windows we are still reliant on more Moyes players then Martinez.

Don't you think?
Interesting point.
 

So its the fans' fault? do one lad.....sniffs...
Not at fault, obviously. Just played a part. When did we become a club that just sacks their manager? Moyes had a couple of garbage seasons immediately after good ones and we kept the faith. I just wonder why it was different with Roberto.
 
Moyes bought us good league positions and improved squad on limited budget
Martinez bought us good points, spending some decent money occasionally along the way, also bought us Etoo believe it or not.. Samuel Etoo to Everton was actually a thing that really happened.
Koeman has bought us our best start to a season, plenty of frustration and excessive use of the word ok, spent big sums on average players but Gana looks a great acquisition.

Moyes>Martinez>Koeman so far, buts it sooooo early, its impossible to judge if he will do well here. So far its a no though
 
I am genuinely baffled by the fact that we have Everton fans who still rate Martinez.

As others have pointed out, Martinez inherited a squad that had averaged fairly high league placings in the previous decade. Admittedly some were past their peak form, but that's true of most squads outside the mega-moneyed clubs; there's a mixture of age ranges. What did Martinez do? He extended the contracts of Hibbert and Gibson - was that a wise use of our resources? It didn't need a genius to see that 37 year old Distin couldn't continue much longer, but his loss of form seemed to take Martinez totally by surprise. Tim Howard had served us well in the main, but he was another who was manifestly getting to the end of his days. Despite Martinez admitting that we needed another keeper, no action was taken. In his last season, Baines, Barry and Jagielka were clearly entering the last stages of their Premiership careers - were they replaced? You could argue that Galloway and Holgate were long term replacements but we needed a couple of experienced Premiership players at the peak of their career. Instead we got Funes Mori, Niasse and Tarashaj.

He couldn't organise a defence at Wigan, and showed that he still can't, even with better players.

Martinez had more money to spend than any previous manager in the Premiership era; that's even allowing for player price inflation.

Recruitment - does anyone - I mean anyone at all - think that this part of Martinez's tenure was a success? Player transfers are obviously a major part of this, but also in terms of the backroom staff. Martinez brought in wholesale a management team that had just overseen Wigan's relegation. How do you think seasoned internationals like Jagielka, Baines, Coleman and others felt about being coached by Dennis Lawrence, whose playing career was spent with lower division clubs? Didn't he also get rid of some of our medical staff? I can well remember the plague of minor injuries which affected the team in his second season. Was this bad luck or something else? Remember Roy Keane's comments about the fact that our Irish players seem to be injured all the time.

Another point - match fitness. It's generally accepted that the team's fitness levels dropped significantly under RM. I remember he blamed the World Cup for this - strange that other teams weren't affected to the same degree.

Over-hyping players - "the best squad for decades"; Barkley "potentially better than Gascoine"; Gareth Barry "one of England's greatest ever players"; McGeady "phenomenal". Did this kind of manifest rubbish help or hinder us?

Transfers. No manager is 100% successful in the transfer market, of course, and Martinez has had some hits, like Lukaku. However, his failures have far outnumbered the successes. Tarashaj hasn't played a single minute for us, for example. Signing total flops like Alcaraz, Kone, McGeady and most of all Niasse - these alone should settle any argument about Martinez's competence.

Some people say we were good to watch under Roberto. While there were good spells, particularly in his first season, there were many poor games even then, such as the 4 - 0 drubbing at Anfield, losing 4 - 1 to Arsenal in the cup, bottling matches towards the end of the season when we had a chance of success. As for the last two seasons, there were more dull games than good ones by a considerable margin. Remember our home record last season - the worst in our history, I believe.


As for those who say we'd have been better off keeping Martinez - did you truly want Martinez to sign another three or four Oumar Niasses in the summer?
 

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