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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Ashtonian said:
Believe me mate. I get loads of kopite fan page stuff shared on my Facebook and they think they have a rivalry with them all.

As for the Chelsea one, thing is, so you think Chelsea really care about them? They have their London rivals and certainly have a competitive rivalry with United bit in terms of Liverpool? do you think that maybe that has happened because the kopite have forced any issue? to make them noticed by another team surpassing them?
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The Chelsea one is a strange one alright, I work nights and listen to as many phone ins/podcast as I can thru the week, and, yes Chelsea do care about them. As I say the other rivalries you mentioned prob comes from the fact they MAYBE rivals now and wanting them to get beat, but I wouldn't have thought that this rivalry has been manufactured, they are rivals now, but I wouldn't say it's quite the same as the Chelsea/Utd rivalry.
 

Angelgabriel said:
The Chelsea one is a strange one alright, I work nights and listen to as many phone ins/podcast as I can thru the week, and, yes Chelsea do care about them. As I say the other rivalries you mentioned prob comes from the fact they MAYBE rivals now and wanting them to get beat, but I wouldn't have thought that this rivalry has been manufactured, they are rivals now, but I wouldn't say it's quite the same as the Chelsea/Utd rivalry.
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Thing is, you don't just create rivalries out of the blue. there has to be substance there, that is my point, they just create them out of the blue and then full on hard-core it to make it a real thing when most of the clubs involved haven't given them as much a seconds thought as we have done with Burnley or stoke
 
MoutsGoat said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37999585

Ex-England and Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard and MK Dons have been in contact over the vacant manager's role.

It is not clear whether the 36-year-old midfielder, who is set to leave MLS side LA Galaxy in December, will retire from playing should he land the role.

He would replace Karl Robinson at MK Dons, who are 21st in League One.

Gerrard, England's fourth most-capped player, left Anfield in 2015 after 17 years in the first team, playing 710 times and winning eight major trophies.
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Scab club. I really hope that comes off.
 

Come on everyone let's get real.

There is only one place where Stevie G Laaaaaaaaa, is heading, and that's Mordor.

Can't wait for the 88 page Echo special in celebration, as the Whiston toerag returns.

The new baby will be a boy, and will be enrolled in the Analfield academy at 18 months.
 
Ashtonian said:
Thing is, you don't just create rivalries out of the blue. there has to be substance there, that is my point, they just create them out of the blue and then full on hard-core it to make it a real thing when most of the clubs involved haven't given them as much a seconds thought as we have done with Burnley or stoke
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The rivalry with Utd hasn't been created out of the blue though, its real as is the Chelsea one, more recent, yes but it is real. Let's just say we were in their position now,we'd relish the fact if Spurs or City lose, because they'd be our rivals for the League. Doesn't make it the same as the Utd rivalry though. Perhaps our definition of the word 'rivalry' is different.
 
If this Stevie G job happens, it is one more reason to dislike "the franchise" MK Dons. Wycombe were the best team in Bucks before they came along. We're still very bitter about it.
 
Ashtonian said:
Believe me mate. I get loads of kopite fan page stuff shared on my Facebook and they think they have a rivalry with them all.

As for the Chelsea one, thing is, so you think Chelsea really care about them? They have their London rivals and certainly have a competitive rivalry with United bit in terms of Liverpool? do you think that maybe that has happened because the kopite have forced any issue? to make them noticed by another team surpassing them?
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Wanting your competitor to lose and wallowing in their defeat doesnt make it into a so called 'rivalry' to match that of Utd though. Not least because a few RS put it on your facebook page. Is that not the point of sporting competition, you're trying to make it something it isn't regarding City and Spurs. It seems a long time ago that we would be willing for other teams to lose, other than 'them'. Or to put it another way, it seems a long time since we were that competitive. You can have healthy competition without making into some sort of rivalry.
 

Angelgabriel said:
The Chelsea one is a strange one alright, I work nights and listen to as many phone ins/podcast as I can thru the week, and, yes Chelsea do care about them. As I say the other rivalries you mentioned prob comes from the fact they MAYBE rivals now and wanting them to get beat, but I wouldn't have thought that this rivalry has been manufactured, they are rivals now, but I wouldn't say it's quite the same as the Chelsea/Utd rivalry.
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The Chelsea/RS is an artificial rivalry from the time about 10 years ago when they seemed to play each other every week in the CL. Just a Sky narrative everyone, including their fans, swallowed hook line and sinker.
 
roydo said:
If he goes there as either a coach, player manager, or full time manager, shows some stones imo.
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he'll be a massive failure in management. He's never had a footballing brain, hence why as soon as his legs went he was nothing. If he didn't play for liverpool and thus had so many pens to score from he would have been anonymous in every game for about the last 4 years. He's also a coward and inspires nothing with his words.
 
In other news, over at Waco Central, theres a tardy response to the belief that we were penalised unjustly post Heysel. We weren't, apparently. It was all our own fault....and we see ourselves as victims...and we should remember that 39 people died... we have no shred of human decency...and we are engulfed in self pity....and self inflicted victimhood. But light and shade.... Koeman doesn't read from the bitter mantra sheet apparently.

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« Reply #33704 on: November 16, 2016, 04:54:56 PM »
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At the risk of exposing myself as a "bitter blue", we were banned from Europe because of the antics of others and despite the club turning up at a European final that very year without anyone dying as a result. It was a massive injustice

It's this ''everyone else's fault'' mindset which keeps Everton stuck where they are. They simply will not take any responsibility for their own demise. To many of them, Heysel/LFC is a convenient scapegoat which keeps them from acknowledging the pain of reality. They forget that ALL English teams were banned after Heysel, not just them. We all suffered and the ban came, in part, because of the actions of pretty much all clubs. Heysel was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was far from the only factor. If it were then only LFC would have been banned. The reality was that virtually every English club (and the national team) had hooligan issues back then and Everton were no exception. There are even books by their fans revelling in it all, just as there are by people who followed other English clubs. Hooliganism was rife, and Everton were big players in that at the time themselves. Heysel was the last straw, but going by Everton you'd think it was the only blemish ever to stain English football. Well it wasn't. Man U fans have killed opposition fans in the past. A fan was killed at a Birmingham Vs Leeds game. Many people were afraid to attend matches and attendances suffered as a result. UEFA hated English fans and the monopoly our clubs had on the European Cup. The Tories hated football fans in general and were itching to ban clubs and stick the boot in on football fans generally. Thing is, we all suffered, and lets not forget that 39 people died and that fact is far bigger than football is. Their sad loss is not something anyone with a shred of human decency should be using to score points over. Ever!

The facts are also that Everton won nothing at all in 1986. Yes, their world-beating side did not win a dicky bird in the year their fans are convinced that they would have walked the European Cup. They also lost some important players and did not replace them. Whose fault is that? Well it wasn't ours. While other clubs got on with it, Everton felt sorry for themselves and became engulfed in self-pity. Ironic when you consider that's a tag they attach to us. Their subsequent demise was of their own making, not anyone else's. Their current wallowing in self-pity is their own doing too. Their continual bad management is their own doing, not ours or anyone else's. Thing is though, this reality is far too painful to acknowledge so they would rather rewrite history and wallow in their own self-inflicted victimhood rather than take any responsibility.

I'm finding it difficult to dislike Koeman because he actually cuts through the bullshit and tells it as it is. Unlike so many of the ridiculous yes-people who they've employed in the past willing to read from the bitter mantra sheet. Koeman is possibly everything Everton need, but nothing of what they want. I don't think that many Everton fans realise that the bitter mantra and their overwhelming self-pity and victimhood is what helps keep them smalltime and barely relevant in the modern age. It will take a very strong man at the helm to rip up all that bullshit and get that club to take responsibility for itself and its future rather than go for the easy option of blaming everyone but themselves for where they are and the state they are in.
 
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