Ronald Koeman discussion

BlueToff · November 10, 2016

jaybx1878 said:
Are you a plant from the EFC PR department?

No. I just refuse to panic and stress out about pretty meaningless things.

bluestevon · November 10, 2016

Zatara said:
It was all about Monchis structure. If you look at most of their managers they do well there and then tail off when they leave.

Can also say that about 95% of managers from any club that move countries, or take a step up to a bigger team fail mate.

Monchi is good but truly before the rs played them I bet 99% of people had never heard of him, myself included.

The Cowboy · November 10, 2016

ianefc said:
I'm bothered, It was not a nice thing to hear/read. It seemed unneeded.

But how different is to when Martinez said that it was a compliment to Everton that clubs such as, would be interested in our players, as though we shouldn't even be able to have them in the first place.

That was equally demeaning, if not worse.

I dunno, it's shades of grey, but the Martinez line implies more that Everton take players and improve them to a standard that has the best clubs paying an interest. That is genuinely a compliment to the club. Ron's comments essentially say 'if Everton is the most high-profile club on Rom's wiki page by the end of his career then he's wasted his talent'.

Barnfred 55 · November 10, 2016

Ballyfermot said:
Ouch.

Every word of that is true and nobody with any sense would argue with you.

But Ron should not be saying it publically. That is the issue here. Even if he doesnt believe it he should be bigging Everton up. We all have to tow the party line at some stage. He's our manager ffs.

By making these comments all he's doing is alienating the fans and making it acceptable for everyone, including our players, to think of Everton as a stepping stone club. Not the done thing when we're trying to build a team that can compete for trophies.

ianefc · November 10, 2016

Elong said:
Don't reckon comparing Koeman to our "worst ever manager" is a fair one, I thought Koeman was the next big deal. Bit harsh to lump them both together.

I don't think anyone thinks he's the 'next big deal' he may be too old to get to that level, when comparing to Klopp, Pep and Jose as they were making inroads to that title at amuck younger age. I've not seen anyone say it anyway.

I have on the other hand heard that about Martinez.

But comparisons to the last manager at ANY club are always gonna be made.

Moyes to SAF. LVG to Moyes and SAF.

Even on this forum, the Martinez/Moyes debate was common and accepted. Not sure why this would be different.

BlueToff · November 10, 2016

The Cowboy said:
I dunno, it's shades of grey, but the Martinez line implies more that Everton take players and improve them to a standard that has the best clubs paying an interest. That is genuinely a compliment to the club. Ron's comments essentially say 'if Everton is the most high-profile club on Rom's wiki page by the end of his career then he's wasted his talent'.

Which tbh Cowboy, is perfectly true.

I agree with @ianefc that yes, it wasn't probably needed. But seemingly Koeman was asked a question and he answered it, truthfully.

He didn't put a timescale on it, or say Rom would be leaving next summer even. He actually said they have a good relationship.

But, he acknowledged that Rom would not have fulfilled his potential should he stay at Everton all of his career. The las is 23 and has scored 50 Prem goals for us already, and has over 100 career goals...

If he doesn't end up at one of the European giants further down the line, his talent would not have been fulfilled.

ianefc · November 10, 2016

The Cowboy said:
I dunno, it's shades of grey, but the Martinez line implies more that Everton take players and improve them to a standard that has the best clubs paying an interest. That is genuinely a compliment to the club. Ron's comments essentially say 'if Everton is the most high-profile club on Rom's wiki page by the end of his career then he's wasted his talent'.

Correct. They're not identical but similar.

Zatara · November 10, 2016

bluestevon said:
Can also say that about 95% of managers from any club that move countries, or take a step up to a bigger team fail mate.

Monchi is good but truly before the rs played them I bet 99% of people had never heard of him, myself included.

Yeah perhaps, would be keen to see if he could do the same overseas. id heard of him mostly from just reading articles...

The Cowboy · November 10, 2016

BlueToff said:
Which tbh Cowboy, is perfectly true.

I agree with @ianefc that yes, it wasn't probably needed. But seemingly Koeman was asked a question and he answered it, truthfully.

He didn't put a timescale on it, or say Rom would be leaving next summer even. He actually said they have a good relationship.

But, he acknowledged that Rom would not have fulfilled his potential should he stay at Everton all of his career. The las is 23 and has scored 50 Prem goals for us already, and has over 100 career goals...

If he doesn't end up at one of the European giants further down the line, his talent would not have been fulfilled.

Then perhaps Ron needs to look before he leaps. Of course what he's said is true, but it is a terrible thing for an incumbent manager to say about his own club. A massive, massive gaffe imo.

Khalekan · November 10, 2016

RaleighBlue said:
Shocking from the apologists here.

If Moyes or Martinez had explicitly said Lukaku was too good for us, we would have collectively lost our minds. It doesn't matter if it's true. What Moyes said about Fellaini and Baines was (at the time arguably) true. No one was ok with that. But because this fella won some trophies as a player and took Southampton to the dizzying heights of 6th we're supposed to lap it up.

Nah.

Tramps_mate · November 10, 2016

Blue Cheese said:
Have you had your head buried in sand for the last 24 lol.

He said Lukaku should be looking to move because he will have wasted his career should he stay at Everton. In short.

Is that it.. Everyone else says it, so its not really a surprise.

BlueToff · November 10, 2016

The Cowboy said:
Then perhaps Ron needs to look before he leaps. Of course what he's said is true, but it is a terrible thing for an incumbent manager to say about his own club. A massive, massive gaffe imo.

I don't see the big deal.

Similarly I wouldn't have had an issue with RM saying it.

But each to their own. It wasn't needed, but it's been said. I'm sure he'll get asked about it next week.

bullensboy · November 10, 2016

Tramps_mate said:
Is that it.. Everyone else says it, so its not really a surprise.

Manager of Everton we are talking about here, not some kopite in your local propping up the bar looking to antagonise you

Khalekan · November 10, 2016

Eggsyblueskin said:
At the end of the day when this ,understandable , fume has died down, Koeman will still be our manager and Moshiri/ Kenwright will still own the club. We are where we are, so why bust a blood vessel? Next match I'll be back in my seat next to my son urging the toffees on and hoping for miracles it's what we do and one day who knows tomorrow may actually be ours.....goodnight.

Oh, if only we could all be as dispassionate about Everton as your good self and take such a phlegmatic attitude when our manager publicly advises our star man to move on

BlueToff · November 10, 2016

Khalekan said:
Oh, if only we could all be as dispassionate about Everton as your good self and take such a phlegmatic attitude when our manager publicly advises our star man to move on

He didn't though Khal...

He said if Lukaku spends all of his career at Everton, he wouldn't fulfil his potential - which is 100% the case.

We all like to live in this dream world where we rule the roost but the reality is as it stands we're nowhere near that level - Saturday proved that - and while Koeman got it wrong tactically in that game, we were outclassed by a side who will be challenging for the title.