Do Everton have an inferiority complex?

Are Everton running scared of the big boys...

  • Yes, our record against them speaks for itself

    Votes: 112 66.3%
  • No, we just can't compete anymore.

    Votes: 36 21.3%
  • Football runs in cycles our time will come

    Votes: 13 7.7%
  • Cheese on Seeded batch loaf toasted

    Votes: 8 4.7%

  • Total voters
    169
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It's not just players, we did the same with Moyes...a bang average manager (being incredibly kind) and he became United manager....David Moyes...Manchester United manager.

I hope the current manager can replicate what Moyes did in the next season or two. Take us from a bottom half side to one regularly finishing in the top 6 or 7. But then Koeman has far more money to spend, and took over the team with players like Lukaku, Barkley and Deulofeu in it rather than Pistone, Stubbs and Gemmill.
 
I think so

I actually think it could be harnessed for good though

For Evertonians of my age, the story of the club during most of our lifetimes has been more one of defiance, of standing against the odds and fighting for respect and recognition

Whilst being the underdog fighting from underneath can be positive, in that it gives you a chip on your shoulder and makes you fight to prove people wrong, it can also be destructive in that you're prepared to settle for less and sometimes can be overawed by your foes

If we could take that defiance and that chip on the shoulder, and harness it into a new positive attitude, I honestly think we could do very well

It's finding that balance

Man City used to have the same problem, but they overcame it in time

I think that chip on the shoulder is a good thing to have, as it keeps us defiant and will go some way to keeping us grounded if we do ever achieve the success we all hope Moshiri can bring us, but we can't let it define us
 
Well we haven't won at Stamford Bridge since 1994, and mostly because they've been better than us. But yet when we're better than them and should be heading for a deserved win, the ref adds on an extra minute and the linesman ignores a blatant offside. So whilst it's mostly a combination of our team capitulating at the slightest bit of pressure and being outclassed on occasions, the referees also play their part in certain games as evidenced last season with the 3-3.

This is not just about the Chelsea game though. Even though your still going on about it! We go on about refs more than any other club. We're always hard done to, you've just reinforced that
 

This is not just about the Chelsea game though. Even though your still going on about it! We go on about refs more than any other club. We're always hard done to, you've just reinforced that

Our most recent game was against Chelsea though, hardly outrageous that I am discussing our record against them is it?

We mostly have ourselves to blame for poor results down the years, and also have to accept that these sides are just better than us, but if you're content with how referees have given certain decisions in the big games we play in then that's up to you. I don't think we've been treated fairly in some of those games.

Don't want to turn it in to a victim thread either though, I was just responding to that particular post as you mentioned referees. We were well beaten the other day by a much better side.
 
Football runs in cycles, but this is not sport anymore. Big business, money and media influence dictates the successful in the Prem era.

We need a Man City style overhaul or we might as well pack in.
 
Our most recent game was against Chelsea though, hardly outrageous that I am discussing our record against them is it?

We mostly have ourselves to blame for poor results down the years, and also have to accept that these sides are just better than us, but if you're content with how referees have given certain decisions in the big games we play in then that's up to you. I don't think we've been treated fairly in some of those games.

Don't want to turn it in to a victim thread either though, I was just responding to that particular post as you mentioned referees. We were well beaten the other day by a much better side.

The thread is titled 'do Everton have an inferiority complex' not 'do Everton have an inferiority complex v Chelsea' though. The fact that you say we've not been treated fairly suggests you think they have it in for us, refs can sometimes get things wrong but to suggest we've not been treated fairly, again, just reinforces my point. It's just not fair!!! Still it's one thing to think the ref got it wrong and another to still talk about it years later (in some cases)
 

Football runs in cycles, but this is not sport anymore. Big business, money and media influence dictates the successful in the Prem era.

We need a Man City style overhaul or we might as well pack in.
It ceased to be a 'sport' in that sense when the first player took a wage. Many teams at the time understood this and decided to remain amateur. What has changed for us is that circumstances and mis management have allowed us to drift out of the elite (we were the prime mover as one of the 'big five' at the inception of the PL don't forget).
Only a massive investment of money will give us achance of restoring our standing. Will we get it? Watch this space.
 
Love people blaming Moyes for this - as if Walter Smith had us among the European elite.

Mr William Kenwright is the sole reason for this. Even when we were rubbish in the 90s we could still muster up the courage to win at Arsenal and Chelsea sporadically, and win the odd derby purely on fighting spirit and belief in ourselves. Ever since top blue Bill came in we've had a mentality instilled in us that we have no right to beat these teams.
 
This century, we have won one game away from home against a side that finished in the top four come the end of the season. 1 win in 65 matches. The win was against Man City in 2010-2011.

That looks like an inferiority complex from the players to me.

In fact, in our most recent away game against one of the "big" sides, the supporters sold out our away section of just under 3,000 weeks before the game at a ground we haven't won for 22 years.

The players are the problem, not the fans.
Players come and go and collectively over the years they haven't been good enough, often enough. It'd be a remarkable coincidence
if an inferiority complex had impacted on them all over the last 22 years.

It isn't an 'Everton' thing.Teams at or near the top of the table tend not to lose many home games against teams lower in the league.
 
The thread is titled 'do Everton have an inferiority complex' not 'do Everton have an inferiority complex v Chelsea' though. The fact that you say we've not been treated fairly suggests you think they have it in for us, refs can sometimes get things wrong but to suggest we've not been treated fairly, again, just reinforces my point. It's just not fair!!! Still it's one thing to think the ref got it wrong and another to still talk about it years later (in some cases)

Well it's not just Chelsea where we've had biased referees in the big matches either since your unhappy with me specifically mentioning them.

Your acceptance of the situation is in line with how a lot of our players react in those matches anyway. The likes of Jagielka who just put up with poor decisions instead of questioning the refs at the time. Maybe the players need to change that part of their mentality much like a lot of the successful players down the years have done.

Roy Keane, Steven Gerrard, Diego Costa etc. All obnoxious players who got in the ref's faces because they had that hunger and desire to be successful. Yet our players just accept that we're little Everton who can't dare question certain decisions.
 

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