Ross Barkley

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So you want to take a very talented goal scoring midfielder and turn him in to a work horse further back on the pitch? Seriously?

If you saw the stat knocking about from Sky last week regarding his goals/assists vs Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard, he's very comparable, favourably so. None of those players played in the role you are advising. Gerrard may have at the end of his career, but for most of it he was played as a number 10 or even out wide. Like Lampard, Scholes and probably now Barkley, he wasn't trusted with the defensive side of the game, or was better utilised where his talents brought the most success, whichever floats your boat.

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For a comparison to Zidane's stats at a similar same stage of his career when Zidane was 21 he had played 130 games scored 22 goals and had 14 assists. Zidane wasn't a household name when he signed for Juventus aged 24 but became so alongside Deschamps and some very talented midfielders. Of course it's laughable to compare Zidane who won the World Cup (aged 26) or the one who finished his career at Madrid in his 30's, because he was exceptional. But in terms of attributes it's not the worst comparison to a former player at this stage of his career. Both big strong lads, with similar running styles and goals. I doubt Ross will hit the heights that Zidane did as he doesn't have the same Ghetto drive, or those of gerrard even as he doesn't have OCD, but don't write him off just yet.

Ross scores goals and creates chances. Unfortunately like a lot of the players, his development as a footballer has almost stalled under the Martinez era. Couple that with being ignored in the Euros and then left out of the latest National squad and his confidence is low right now.

Koeman is trying to manage that situation and produce a response from Ross. Hopefully he does so and we see the benefits on the pitch, but people need to give the lad a chance and stop writing him off at every opportunity or groaning and booing if he doesn't meg someone and smash it in the top corner.
I think Dembele is a lot more than just a workhorse, and I doubt that many young players would mind being likened to someone as technically gifted as he is.

Barkley would be a massive asset if he could take the ball from deep and drive forward, releasing either the wingers or the lock picker-type that I think Everton lack, and then arriving late to get shots off. It's not as though he's finding pockets of space in the box and scoring poacher's goals, so I don't see why his tally would necessarily take a drastic hit if he had a deeper starting position; especially if Gana is there to cover him.

I expect that screen grab you posted will appear on a daily basis for the rest of the season, but I'm not convinced that it's an entirely accurate comparison if you consider that Lampard and Gerrard came through at a time when most teams played with two strikers, and even an attacking midfielder was still expected to contribute further back.

I'd say that the Scholes comparison is fair, as I remember him being pretty much a forward when he was starting out. However, you could also argue that Barkley has had the advantage of maturing physically much earlier than others. He's similar to Rooney in that regard.

Only time will tell, but I think Barkley will continue to underwhelm all too regularly if he's left to drift around up front. I'm also expecting Koeman to react very negatively when he sees firsthand the effects of carrying both Barkley and Lukaku off the ball when they run into one of the better sides.
 

Can someone please explain what 'he's one of us' means?
What he is, is someone who has a God given talent (allegedly) and is not living up to it.
We, the fans, are entitled to question his ability and commitment even if he's 'one of us'
People on here are far too protective of him and can't see his faults.
If he is underperforming he needs dropping in the same way any other player would be.
Take your Ross tinted spectacles off and you'll see for yourself.

I think they mean he's a blue. Which by all accounts means we should all be paid large sums of money for playing for Everton. But no, we supposedly aren't talented enough and therefore are not allowed to voice an opinion regarding his inability to do something useful lately. If you do that, apparently you're mocking mental health and puppies all over the world will keel over and die.
 
I just don't think he's as good as we all thought.
I think it's as simple as that but some aren't able to take that in.
Cos he's one of us !!
 
I think Dembele is a lot more than just a workhorse, and I doubt that many young players would mind being likened to someone as technically gifted as he is.

Barkley would be a massive asset if he could take the ball from deep and drive forward, releasing either the wingers or the lock picker-type that I think Everton lack, and then arriving late to get shots off. It's not as though he's finding pockets of space in the box and scoring poacher's goals, so I don't see why his tally would necessarily take a drastic hit if he had a deeper starting position; especially if Gana is there to cover him.

I expect that screen grab you posted will appear on a daily basis for the rest of the season, but I'm not convinced that it's an entirely accurate comparison if you consider that Lampard and Gerrard came through at a time when most teams played with two strikers, and even an attacking midfielder was still expected to contribute further back.

I'd say that the Scholes comparison is fair, as I remember him being pretty much a forward when he was starting out. However, you could also argue that Barkley has had the advantage of maturing physically much earlier than others. He's similar to Rooney in that regard.

Only time will tell, but I think Barkley will continue to underwhelm all too regularly if he's left to drift around up front. I'm also expecting Koeman to react very negatively when he sees firsthand the effects of carrying both Barkley and Lukaku off the ball when they run into one of the better sides.
I feel Ross is at his best when everything is in front on him and he can take a touch or two. Some of the best no10's know what they're going to do before they even recieve the ball, pop it off and are on the move, making space and dragging defenders around. Everythings done at pace. That's not Ross's game and why I think he's be more suited to a CM position.
 

And it'll be the fat low lifes whose sold objective of the day is to piss away last night's skid mark from inside the pan that retaliate.

Abusing football players will not make your lives better lads.

But they may have mental health issues that need resolving? Simply stating that abusing football players will not better their lives is a bit of an assumption. Fat low lives? Maybe they have a thyroid problem and calling them that is a form of mental abuse?

See how easy that was? To pick absolute BS from a post. Do i need to lower myself and report you? No, because the missus said I've got to do the shopping tonight and I would prefer not to be in the dog house :coffee:.
 
In a extant series of texts 2000 years old one might imagine.
Historically there is plenty of basis for his existence.

Wow, I really didn't mean for this to turn into a massive debate. Fair enough, Jesus is real. Apparently so are unicorns because my 7 year old daughter once wrote about them. Heaven forbid that letter is found in 2000 years and we all start worshipping Rarity the unicorn....
 

Wow, I really didn't mean for this to turn into a massive debate. Fair enough, Jesus is real. Apparently so are unicorns because my 7 year old daughter once wrote about them. Heaven forbid that letter is found in 2000 years and we all start worshipping Rarity the unicorn....
Tacitus and Josephus are both respected independent historians in their own right, biblical sources notwithstanding but don't let that dent your ignorance on a historical matter you are clearly clueless about.
 
But they may have mental health issues that need resolving? Simply stating that abusing football players will not better their lives is a bit of an assumption. Fat low lives? Maybe they have a thyroid problem and calling them that is a form of mental abuse?

See how easy that was? To pick absolute BS from a post. Do i need to lower myself and report you? No, because the missus said I've got to do the shopping tonight and I would prefer not to be in the dog house :coffee:.
But they're not the people being abused by 35,000 angry Scousers, for something totally unreasonable, are they? This is a thread about Ross Barkley Friend.

Fair enough though, it mustn't be easy being under the thumb.
 
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Tacitus and Josephus are both respected independent historians in their own right, biblical sources notwithstanding but don't let that dent your ignorance on a historical matter you are clearly clueless about.

Many known Islamic historical writers have been cited as an excuse for terrible acts of violence against the innocent. So they're not ignorant for having an opinion based on historical matters? Just because I don't believe in something doesn't mean I'm ignorant. I'm well versed in the so called good books as I strive to bring up my children to have a valued opinion and not be coerced into making decisions by people who simply "read stuff" and portray their interpretation of it. Very clever you are mate.
 
But they're not the people being abused by 35,000 angry Scousers, for something totally unreasonable, are they? This is a thread about Ross Barkley Friend.

Fair enough though, it mustn't be easy being under the thumb.

Lol. I'm far from that mate. I simply do my part in a loving relationship. To expect her to do everything would be sexist. But I guess that's ok to see things the way you want right. I call that hypocrisy :coffee:

Also, you didn't say angry scousers, you said fat low lives. Again, the hypocrisy to abuse who you see fit.
 

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