Bobbys pay off

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The Esk said:
Contrast Martinez' ability to have almost the full value of his remaining contract paid out by Everton with that of Manchester United paying Moyes the equivalent of 1 year of his remaining 5.

As shareholders we should demand a full explanation. Of course that will never be given.
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Tbf using Manchester United as a good example to follow is a bit iffy, it was their mishandling of Van Gaal's sacking that made them have to pay his full remaining contract up (4.5 million) when he has voluntarily walked away with nothing before when things handled better.

Seems to have taken Abromovich a long time to get savvy with manager contracts and that despite a lot of experience.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ince-roman-abramovichs-takeover-a6728631.html

But agree something went badly wrong, hopefully minimum performance targets have been built into Koeman's contract.
 
ilikecheese said:
The fact of the matter remains though is he was clearly legally owed the money or he wouldn't have won the settlement.

Like it or not, Martinez was owed the money, and he fought for it just as anyone would. It's not morally bankrupt at all.

You would have done the exact same thing if it was stated in your contract. Blame Bill...don't blame Roberto for going after what was legally his.
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Yes, totally agree.

However, I think Bobby will find it very, very hard in future to negotiate such a favourable contract. Clubs will think long & hard about hiring him and they'll probably insist on performance targets being included in any deals. He's won this battle, but his career may have lost the war.
 
RaleighBlue said:
But not legally.

I disagree that it's daft. Or that he was not morally entitled to the pay off. He had an agreement with the club that if either side terminated the agreement early, the other side would be compensated. Is that a stupid thing for the club to have done? Hell yes. But they did it. He is completely within his rights to hold them to the legally binding agreement they made two years ago.

And we are the only club involved in this direction. If a club came and poached him, we would have held out for the full amount guaranteed in that contract, no matter how badly he wanted to go. Just like he's held out for the full value of his contract, and we wanted him to go badly enough to let it happen.

Playing the 'moral' card just ends up benefiting organizations over individuals, since organizations are not expected to suffer from morals.
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You are spot on, Raleigh.

The one person not at fault here is Bobby.

He had a cast iron clause inserted into his contract and be made sure EFC abided by it.

Half his luck :pint2:

No, the culprit here is the absolute numbskull whom agreed to sanction this daft contract.

William Kenwright......J' accuse....:)
 
Dymak said:
It was well worth it to get rid of him. He'd have cost us much more than that if he had stayed. He was easily the worst manager in our history.
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Really? Like, really? Thats a bit dramatic!! You rate Mike Walker and Walter Smith above him? Howard Kendall Mk III was pretty dire as well.

And just going on the win % of Everton managers (over 20 games managed), Martinez isn't even close to the worst.

Walker - 17.1%
Kendall 3 - 26.2%
Smith - 32.4%
Buchan - 32.8%
Britton - 36.9%
Bingham - 37.2%
Kelly - 38%
Kendall 2 - 38.9%
Royle - 39%
Lee - 39.3%
McIntosh - 39.8%
Barclay - 40.9%
Moyes - 42.1%
Harvey - 42.4%
MARTINEZ - 42.9%​

In fact, looking at the stats, overall Martinez is one of our most winning managers:

Kendall 1 - 54.1%
Molyneux - 50.3%
Cuff - 47.7%
Catterick - 46.5%
Martinez - 42.9%
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For the record, I wanted him gone. I was very very happy when he went. But you still need to remove your bias and respect the fact that he wasn't even close to being our worst manager ever.
 

BiggyRat said:
Yes, totally agree.

However, I think Bobby will find it very, very hard in future to negotiate such a favourable contract. Clubs will think long & hard about hiring him and they'll probably insist on performance targets being included in any deals. He's won this battle, but his career may have lost the war.
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Lost the "war"?

He has just pocketed ten million quid and won't need to touch a penny for it in the foreseeable future as he is pulling down around one million per year managing Belgium.

Roberto Martinez's "war" has already been won
 
Unlike many I respect BK but this is his atrocious mistake. Giving Bobby the job I can forgive as it's always a gamble but getting totally carried away after 1 good season and giving a 5 year contract without minimum achievement clauses was an act of insanity.
Whatever about 100m net budget BS and dodgy J White texts I'm v grateful Moshiri's here to sort out this mess.
 

Khalekan said:
Lost the "war"?

He has just pocketed ten million quid and won't need to touch a penny for it in the foreseeable future as he is pulling down around one million per year managing Belgium.

Roberto Martinez's "war" has already been won
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Time will tell
 
Dylan said:
Really? Like, really? Thats a bit dramatic!! You rate Mike Walker and Walter Smith above him? Howard Kendall Mk III was pretty dire as well.

And just going on the win % of Everton managers (over 20 games managed), Martinez isn't even close to the worst.

Walker - 17.1%
Kendall 3 - 26.2%
Smith - 32.4%
Buchan - 32.8%
Britton - 36.9%
Bingham - 37.2%
Kelly - 38%
Kendall 2 - 38.9%
Royle - 39%
Lee - 39.3%
McIntosh - 39.8%
Barclay - 40.9%
Moyes - 42.1%
Harvey - 42.4%
MARTINEZ - 42.9%​

In fact, looking at the stats, overall Martinez is one of our most winning managers:

Kendall 1 - 54.1%
Molyneux - 50.3%
Cuff - 47.7%
Catterick - 46.5%
Martinez - 42.9%
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For the record, I wanted him gone. I was very very happy when he went. But you still need to remove your bias and respect the fact that he wasn't even close to being our worst manager ever.
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Come on .... Although the stats are true... That first season was little to do with him.... If Moyes had stayed and was given the same money I have no doubt we would have finished just as well... Look at bobbys win ratio after he had a season to get them playing the way he wanted..... Ie like and unfit Wigan team... Bet his stats are terrible
 
Dylan said:
Really? Like, really? Thats a bit dramatic!! You rate Mike Walker and Walter Smith above him? Howard Kendall Mk III was pretty dire as well.

And just going on the win % of Everton managers (over 20 games managed), Martinez isn't even close to the worst.

Walker - 17.1%
Kendall 3 - 26.2%
Smith - 32.4%
Buchan - 32.8%
Britton - 36.9%
Bingham - 37.2%
Kelly - 38%
Kendall 2 - 38.9%
Royle - 39%
Lee - 39.3%
McIntosh - 39.8%
Barclay - 40.9%
Moyes - 42.1%
Harvey - 42.4%
MARTINEZ - 42.9%​

In fact, looking at the stats, overall Martinez is one of our most winning managers:

Kendall 1 - 54.1%
Molyneux - 50.3%
Cuff - 47.7%
Catterick - 46.5%
Martinez - 42.9%
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For the record, I wanted him gone. I was very very happy when he went. But you still need to remove your bias and respect the fact that he wasn't even close to being our worst manager ever.
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Tel001 said:
Not irrelevant at all... Just pointing out that bobby wasn't one of our better managers... Didn't exceed expectations and isn't one of the best managers we had in the Orem era
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Was my point is all.
 
Tel001 said:
Not irrelevant at all... Just pointing out that bobby wasn't one of our better managers... Didn't exceed expectations and isn't one of the best managers we had in the Orem era
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It is testimony to how bad we have been in the EPL era that in actual fact Bobby is indeed one of the best managers we have had.

I would say Joe, Moyes and Bobby.....in that order.

But Bobby was better than Walker, Howard 3 and Walter IMO.
 

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