Bobbys pay off

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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
More fool us for not having performance clauses in his contract and shame on him for enforcing the maximum payout.

He failed and should have accepted that fact and behaved accordingly, a total lack of class as far as I'm concerned and shatters his bogus nice guy image.

A negotiated sensible settlement is what should have occurred in my view, particularly given he was only without work for a few months.
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Just a thought.

Would you feel the same way about him leaving Everton as a wild success and being poached by a major club? Should Everton in that case say, 'Hey, you exceeded your expectations, so nevermind the cash that we're owed for you bailing on your contract early.'?
 

ianefc said:
I never mentioned the money, you said he was unfairly sacked, I think you have me hook line and sinker as no one with a basic working knowledge of the game would agree with you. No one.

This just shows him for the scum bag he is.

It also shows the board acted way too quickly after he profited massively off what Moyes left him, they thought he was the second coming, he got a 4 year extension, ironically he would of got no such deal if they'd of waited then as things panned out the way he did, he simply would of seen out his initial 3 year deal and gone.

Must be a reason he didn't get another club job.
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I totally agree with a lot of what you have said. What I'm trying to say is he's entitled to go about what he has done if he feels that way.

I don't expect many will agree with me, because there's the emotional attachment of supporting Everton; to him we were simply an employer, no matter how he tried to make out he "got" us in the press. Maybe he even really enjoyed working here, I'm sure he did in fact, it was above his station, but that wouldn't change view of us and his place in it.

If you felt you were unfairly dismissed, you'd go for something like this wouldn't you? Some would, some wouldn't, he feels he has a right, and has been successful.

I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
 
Elong said:
I totally agree with a lot of what you have said. What I'm trying to say is he's entitled to go about what he has done if he feels that way.

I don't expect many will agree with me, because there's the emotional attachment of supporting Everton; to him we were simply an employer, no matter how he tried to make out he "got" us in the press. Maybe he even really enjoyed working here, I'm sure he did in fact, it was above his station, but that wouldn't change view of us and his place in it.

If you felt you were unfairly dismissed, you'd go for something like this wouldn't you? Some would, some wouldn't, he feels he has a right, and has been successful.

I'm not saying it's right, but it is, what it is.
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So you didn't think he was unfairly dismissed?
 
Why is it that every time the Daily Mail publishes an article which feeds into the prejudices of folks round these parts there is a benign acceptance of its veracity.........but when the same Tory rag posts sommat we don't like about EFC the cry is "wouldn't believe a word that miserable excuse for a newspaper writes....." :dance:



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RaleighBlue said:
Just a thought.

Would you feel the same way about him leaving Everton as a wild success and being poached by a major club? Should Everton in that case say, 'Hey, you exceeded your expectations, so nevermind the cash that we're owed for you bailing on your contract early.'?
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Daft analogy, as that'd be another club seeking to poach him and we'd seek to claim compensation fromthe club involved

He failed in his prime objectives and was rightly sacked for that failure. Compensation is fine, but a full contract pay out? How could he honestly believe that he was morally entitled to that?
 
Contrast Martinez' ability to have almost the full value of his remaining contract paid out by Everton with that of Manchester United paying Moyes the equivalent of 1 year of his remaining 5.

As shareholders we should demand a full explanation. Of course that will never be given.
 
The Esk said:
Contrast Martinez' ability to have almost the full value of his remaining contract paid out by Everton with that of Manchester United paying Moyes the equivalent of 1 year of his remaining 5.

As shareholders we should demand a full explanation. Of course that will never be given.
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This ^
 

The Esk said:
Contrast Martinez' ability to have almost the full value of his remaining contract paid out by Everton with that of Manchester United paying Moyes the equivalent of 1 year of his remaining 5.

As shareholders we should demand a full explanation. Of course that will never be given.
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Most certainly.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Daft analogy, as that'd be another club seeking to poach him and we'd seek to claim compensation fromthe club involved

He failed in his prime objectives and was rightly sacked for that failure. Compensation is fine, but a full contract pay out? How could he honestly believe that he was morally entitled to that?
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But not legally.

I disagree that it's daft. Or that he was not morally entitled to the pay off. He had an agreement with the club that if either side terminated the agreement early, the other side would be compensated. Is that a stupid thing for the club to have done? Hell yes. But they did it. He is completely within his rights to hold them to the legally binding agreement they made two years ago.

And we are the only club involved in this direction. If a club came and poached him, we would have held out for the full amount guaranteed in that contract, no matter how badly he wanted to go. Just like he's held out for the full value of his contract, and we wanted him to go badly enough to let it happen.

Playing the 'moral' card just ends up benefiting organizations over individuals, since organizations are not expected to suffer from morals.
 
RaleighBlue said:
But not legally.

I disagree that it's daft. Or that he was not morally entitled to the pay off. He had an agreement with the club that if either side terminated the agreement early, the other side would be compensated. Is that a stupid thing for the club to have done? Hell yes. But they did it. He is completely within his rights to hold them to the legally binding agreement they made two years ago.

And we are the only club involved in this direction. If a club came and poached him, we would have held out for the full amount guaranteed in that contract, no matter how badly he wanted to go. Just like he's held out for the full value of his contract, and we wanted him to go badly enough to let it happen.

Playing the 'moral' card just ends up benefiting organizations over individuals, since organizations are not expected to suffer from morals.
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This is my view, but put a lot better.
 
The Esk said:
Contrast Martinez' ability to have almost the full value of his remaining contract paid out by Everton with that of Manchester United paying Moyes the equivalent of 1 year of his remaining 5.

As shareholders we should demand a full explanation. Of course that will never be given.
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Utterly crazy stuff, the day UTD couldn't get top 4 he was gone, the day we lost our 4th game over Christmas 2014 Martinez should of been gone. Said it then, I'll say it now, 18 months too late, yet Moshiri would of known the financial outcome, but he pulled the trigger and took the hit the previous regime left him. Which, I must add, makes NO sense as I've been assured on these pages he's a fraud, ironically by those who had most patience with Martinez, go figure (Americanism alert)
 

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