MikeH72
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Belgium are the number 2 ranked nation in the world. It's not like, say, England losing to Spain where you just shrug and go "ah well". They got decimated.
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Belgium are the number 2 ranked nation in the world. It's not like, say, England losing to Spain where you just shrug and go "ah well". They got decimated.
You can not have it both ways you know.
Trumping around the highest points total is just as silly as best start in 10 years. Fact is, that highest points total is applicable to that season only.
No. Not even close. I would have to say that both Moyes and Royle were more successful. You know, Moyes finishing in 4th. And what did big Joe do again.....uhmm....thats right, HE WON THE FA CUP.
Martinez failed to do either of those things.
GerryandthePaceMerchants
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Booed off. He's used to that
MikeH72
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He got to 2 semi finals mate, which is actually better than winning a single trophy
davek
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...Martinez's first season when he ran up the club's record points total was off the back of a summer when we saw a NEGATIVE £13M net spend.
No excuses for a 'superior' manager to come in here and not straight away reach at least what Moyes was able to do with relative ease.
It's not asking the world, it's a bare minimum and I expect Koeman to reach it with relative ease too.
davek
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How is trumpeting a manager's THREE game record the equivalent to highlighting a season long record in any way, shape or form?
It's continued importance for us is obvious: it acts as our benchmark. If we can get near to that tally or surpass it then we will almost certainly be involved in CL football the following season. It's a very relevant subject, unlike where we are after three matches in a season.
Moyes finishing 4th was on 61 points. It was bettered by 11 points in Martinez's first season. Everton's own performance season on season has to be isolated to judge. In that season of Martinez's we won the equivalent of three more wins and two more draws than in Moyes' 4th place season. As for Royle: that was an FA Cup run and nothing to do with a PL season. Royle is, though, unquestionably our most successful manager since HKI for winning the cup and getting a very respectable 6th place the following season.
MikeH72
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What about when he blew about £50m in the next two seasons and finished in the bottom half though?
davek
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Besic, Lukaku, Deulofeu, Lennon, Mori, Galloway...I wouldn't describe paying for that lot as 'blowing' cash....all paid for in the final two seasons.
MikeH72
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Why have you left out big bad Oumar Niasse mate?
Dave, I stuck by RM until it was clear he was done. I really wanted him to make it work.
But think back - he came into a side that had Moyes' solid foundations.
For all of Moyes' flaws, he could sort a defence.
Martinez added flair and ingenuity and you know what, it was brilliant.
Unfortunately he has totally regressed from that and the only evidence you need is what he did with Belgium last night.
They offered nothing. They played how we played when we were at our worst last season. Spain, as good as they are, hardly got out of first gear, never mind second.
net spend is your thing, I get it. So, why not look at Koeman's net-spend from his time at Southampton?
His net spend in his first season (14/15) at S'ton (where he secured their highest ever finish - 7th - and highest ever points total (again your barometer))
SALES - Approx. £104million (inc. January)
BUYS - Approx. £75million. (inc. January)
TOTAL NET: - £39million.
We now go onto the next season (15/16) - again, he secured their highest ever finish (6th) and broke the points record they set the year before.
SALES - Approx. £42million (inc. January)
BUYS - Approx. £40.5million (inc. January)
TOTAL NET: -£1.5million
Overall his total NET spend was: -£43.5million.
davek
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I dont believe it was Martine's signing.
Why would he sign a player for £13M and refuse to play him?
No chance it was his decision. Look elsewhere to put the blame for him.
The most Davek post ever.
MikeH72
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I've said it before on here Dave, I think what it was with Bobby's first season was the change of style, any breath of fresh air is good for a while.
We had Moyes for 11years, it's like eating vanilla ice cream for 11 years, then someone comes along and gives you mint chocy chip.
At first it's great, but once you get used to it and realise it's not all what it's cracked up to be you soon start losing faith.
Martinez is a bad Manager, no ifs or buts. He's too autocratic to be a good football Manager. When your fitness coach decides to walk there is something wrong.
People say his style would work well abroad, I don't agree, he's simply not a good football Manager anywhere.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
What Moyes left him was unfit for purpose for the way he wanted us to play...he had to adapt everything, which is why it's always amusing to read the numb nuts conclusions that Moyes had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with that first season record of Martinez's.
Belgium last night? WTF has that got to do with anything? A BS international circus game shines zero light on anything.
Koeman: I see, Martinez's first season here had everything to do with Moyes squad he bequeathed Martinez...but no mention of the squad and system Pochettino bequeathed to Koeman?
Right, I get it.
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