Farhad Moshiri

[Steve Wigan]

I still think that. And I still dont see him as a 'world class' defender. But others do - including, presumably, the club that sold him for a record fee. Yet there's been no success in going out and finding and signing replacements of that magnitude.

I also think that Stones will settle eventually as a Hoddle type midfielder. He will probably not be a world class defender. I think we have done good-ish business there,and of course he wanted to leave.Regarding incoming, Williams is probably a short term fix, Gueye is well worth his fee, and Bolassie was obviously wanted badly by Koeman, and its Koeman who gets the blame if Bolassie doesn't prove his worth.
I repeat, the club has never named any 'targets' until they were close to signing, and cannot therefore be blamed if these mythical targets don't materialise. We are in the top half dozen or so spenders in this window(I don't care for this fantasy about net spend being everything...it means very little. Its the value on the pitch and in the dug out that matters, and we have more value in playing terms than we have had for many years, with six days to go in the window.

 

[davek]

I also think that Stones will settle eventually as a Hoddle type midfielder. He will probably not be a world class defender. I think we have done good-ish business there,and of course he wanted to leave.Regarding incoming, Williams is probably a short term fix, Gueye is well worth his fee, and Bolassie was obviously wanted badly by Koeman, and its Koeman who gets the blame if Bolassie doesn't prove his worth.
I repeat, the club has never named any 'targets' until they were close to signing, and cannot therefore be blamed if these mythical targets don't materialise. We are in the top half dozen or so spenders in this window(I don't care for this fantasy about net spend being everything...it meansy little. Its the value on the pitch and in the dug out that matters, and we have more value in playing terms than we have had for many years, with six days to go in the window.

Stones: I do hope Guardiola continues to believe he's the next Bobby Moore. He's going to balls up in a massive game and that'll be City's season over. It's amazing to me how he's perceived as a quality CB. I think what it is is that successive coaches at club and national level have the ego to believe that they can be the one to round out his game. There's nothing there though. To be a top defender you have to have urgency in sensing danger. Stones does not have that antennae. It cant be taught. Sometimes he's compared to Ferdinand. No chance. He was always switched on even if he had to learn a bit of positioning at OT.

Net spending: it's about as useful a tool for measuring intent as we have. It's not perfect in telling you in every window whether you've progressed or not, but as a general rule if you dont have a healthy net spend in this league you may as well pack it in and turn the club into a drop in centre.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Stones: I do hope Guardiola continues to believe he's the next Bobby Moore. He's going to balls up in a massive game and that'll be City's season over. It's amazing to me how he's perceived as a quality CB. I think what it is is that successive coaches at club and national level have the ego to believe that they can be the one to round out his game. There's nothing there though. To be a top defender you have to have urgency in sensing danger. Stones does not have that antennae. It cant be taught. Sometimes he's compared to Ferdinand. No chance. He was always switched on even if he had to learn a bit of positioning at OT.

Net spending: it's about as useful a tool for measuring intent as we have. It's not perfect in telling you in every window whether you've progressed or not, but as a general rule if you dont have a healthy net spend in this league you may as well pack it in and turn the club into a drop in centre.

Agree entirely about Stones...Holgate is to my mind a better prospect as a defender. Stones simply WANTS to go forward ALL THE TIME, and that's a big weakness in a defender. Also,he does not know or is disinclined to attack a header in his own box.
Re Net spending...Hyperthetically if you sell a Stones for £47 million and by a Cahill, a Coleman and...lets say a Lennon type, you'd have a large negative net spend, but a better team. Nice talking to you, Dave.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I also think that Stones will settle eventually as a Hoddle type midfielder.

I reckon Pep will try and turn him into a Busquets type of player.

 

[davek]

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Re Net spending...Hyperthetically if you sell a Stones for £47 million and by a Cahill, a Coleman and...lets say a Lennon type, you'd have a large negative net spend, but a better team.

Absolutely. But over time...

Nice talking to you, Dave.

And you too steve.

 

[Ihaters]

Agree entirely about Stones...Holgate is to my mind a better prospect as a defender. Stones simply WANTS to go forward ALL THE TIME, and that's a big weakness in a defender. Also,he does not know or is disinclined to attack a header in his own box.
Re Net spending...Hyperthetically if you sell a Stones for £47 million and by a Cahill, a Coleman and...lets say a Lennon type, you'd have a large negative net spend, but a better team. Nice talking to you, Dave.

With a decent net spend though, you could have Cahill, Coleman, Lennon AND also Deulofeu and Lukaku to add to what you already have.

 

[Steve Wigan]

With a decent net spend though, you could have Cahill, Coleman, Lennon AND also Deulofeu and Lukaku to add to what you already have.

Proves the 'sell to buy' theory which is common practice for almost every team, unless they are playthings run by a multi billionaire, which we are not. The greatest exponents of sell to buy are Southampton, and they are run by a family worth six times as much as Moshiri. Over this window and January Everton should have a positive net spend, it depends if any money is received for Niasse, McCready and a few others and if we can persuade a couple of £30 million plus players to join us. We will certainly need replacements /successors to Barry and Jags, and Baines by the end of this or next season. It is a gradual process. The timing has to be right...you sell when its profitable, to at least partly finance incoming improvements. Its like running a fleet of cars...you don't change them all at once. Over a few windows the plan will be to improve the team/squad when opportunity arises, and spend big when there is justification, and all these decisions will be made by the board, and will not be based on pub talk, hearsay, rumour, or the whim of supporters.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Proves the 'sell to buy' theory which is common practice for almost every team, unless they are playthings run by a multi billionaire, which we are not. The greatest exponents of sell to buy are Southampton, and they are run by a family worth six times as much as Moshiri. Over this window and January Everton should have a positive net spend, it depends if any money is received for Niasse, McCready and a few others and if we can persuade a couple of £30 million plus players to join us. We will certainly need replacements /successors to Barry and Jags, and Baines by the end of this or next season. It is a gradual process. The timing has to be right...you sell when its profitable, to at least partly finance incoming improvements. Its like running a fleet of cars...you don't change them all at once. Over a few windows the plan will be to improve the team/squad when opportunity arises, and spend big when there is justification, and all these decisions will be made by the board, and will not be based on pub talk, hearsay, rumour, or the whim of supporters.

This is why, although it is going to be unpopular with some supporters on here, we offer jagielka in order to obtain our primary defensive target - Kone. Due to injuries and age I can see jagielka only being with us another 12 months, so why not release him now and pave the way for Kone to come here, as moyes wants him.

 

[Jreverton1]

I reckon Pep will try and turn him into a Busquets type of player.

Definitely. Too much of a risk as a CB, but good at playing football and if he loses the ball it shouldn't be as harmful for the team.

 

[maccavennie]

This is why, although it is going to be unpopular with some supporters on here, we offer jagielka in order to obtain our primary defensive target - Kone. Due to injuries and age I can see jagielka only being with us another 12 months, so why not release him now and pave the way for Kone to come here, as moyes wants him.

can't see Jagielka wanting to leave Everton for Sunderland tbh mate, uprooting his family from the Northwest when there's no real pressure to I can't see being an option he would want to consider.

 

[roydo]

This is why, although it is going to be unpopular with some supporters on here, we offer jagielka in order to obtain our primary defensive target - Kone. Due to injuries and age I can see jagielka only being with us another 12 months, so why not release him now and pave the way for Kone to come here, as moyes wants him.

Makes some weird football sense I guess.

 

[rochdaleblue]

can't see Jagielka wanting to leave Everton for Sunderland tbh mate, uprooting his family from the Northwest when there's no real pressure to I can't see being an option he would want to consider.

Point taken. But chance to work with moyes who he has a lot of respect for and possibly the chance of a coaching role further down the line, you just never know.

 

[maccavennie]

Point taken. But chance to work with moyes who he has a lot of respect for and possibly the chance of a coaching role further down the line, you just never know.

of course mate, never say never I've just always thought of him as a player who you would literally have to volley out of Everton to get rid of him.

I think he's still easily got a good season or 2 left in him, certainly think he will play a big part this season ( though probably in half an hour there will be a yellow bar on SSN saying he's leaving for Sunderland lol )

 

[TommyDavo]

can't see Jagielka wanting to leave Everton for Sunderland tbh mate, uprooting his family from the Northwest when there's no real pressure to I can't see being an option he would want to consider.

Why uproot your family. It's just a job. Loads including myself work away from the family home

 

[maccavennie]

Why uproot your family. It's just a job. Loads including myself work away from the family home

of course they do mate, I made my point on why I don't think he will be leaving and as I mentioned I don't think he would consider going to the north east for a season if he isn't getting forced out of the club which there is no sign of.