Everton Transfer Thread 2016

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Zatara said:
Not at all, were overstocked...
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replace chaff with wheat, add European competition and ambitions to have domestic cup runs, and we're not overstocked.

That's what I mean about us not having convincingly replaced mainstays like Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar and Howard. They were good enough all those years to get us semi-regular top 6 and now it doesn't look like we have such players (at the moment). We're left with a bunch of chaff, 3 or 4 proven quality players, some youth lads coming up and signed newcomers who have a lot to prove this season.

If we'd have signed players with proven top 6 experience in one of the major leagues I would go with the idea we're stronger now.


A transition season then.


Still, just wanna say again i like the early signs...we've played well. Just not counting all me chickens and all that.
 
dholliday said:
I disagree. If 4 stalwart squad members, with over a thousand games between them, are at the end, we would expect for us to have established replacements lined up if we had ambitions to at least remain best-of-the-rest.

By replacing them with players who may bomb after an initial honeymoon period (seeing as the replacements haven't yet proved anything at a regular top 6 level) we risk taking two steps backward in order to make merely one step forward.

It's a risk, but the early signs are that our new players have bedded in well. Let's hope it continues, but I'm not one for saying we're deffo stronger after the evidence of two mere games.
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If they had played a million games for the world 11 it wouldn't matter. The comparison was whether we got stronger than last year, therefore you compare what has come in this year against what has left from last year.

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong I'm just saying that is how you compare improvement from the previous year.
 
bobbydigital said:
If they had played a million games for the world 11 it wouldn't matter. The comparison was whether we got stronger than last year, therefore you compare what has come in this year against what has left from last year.

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong I'm just saying that is how you compare improvement from the previous year.
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we can't say without any doubt that we're deffo stronger just because our first two games have gone well...if lord forbid Bolasie and Gana bomb and Stek has a row of stinkers so Joel comes back in would we say after a few torrid months that we're still stronger than last season?

We can't say we're stronger because we don't yet know the quality of the new players, as we've only played two games. The lads that have gone were proven, but over the hill...so needed replacing. It remains to be seen if their replacements are actually at least as good.


Time will tell is all. Better yet, we sign one or two players of proven consistent quality before the window closes, then I'll be right onboard with the "stronger than last season" shouts.
 

dholliday said:
replace chaff with wheat, add European competition and ambitions to have domestic cup runs, and we're not overstocked.

That's what I mean about us not having convincingly replaced mainstays like Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar and Howard. They were good enough all those years to get us semi-regular top 6 and now it doesn't look like we have such players (at the moment). We're left with a bunch of chaff, 3 or 4 proven quality players, some youth lads coming up and signed newcomers who have a lot to prove this season.

If we'd have signed players with proven top 6 experience in one of the major leagues I would go with the idea we're stronger now.


A transition season then.


Still, just wanna say again i like the early signs...we've played well. Just not counting all me chickens and all that.
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I think we look pretty poor tbh...

GK -- Stek
RB - Holgate
RCB - Jagielka
LCB - Williams
LB - Baines

-- other than Holgate the rest will be gone in 2 years. Which usually means they are going downhill.

DM - Barry
DM - Gueye

-- Again Barry gone soon

LW - Bolasie
AM - Barkley
RW - Deulofeu
CF- Lukaku

Beyond these 4 we have mirallas and then no quality

We can add in others like Seamus (im just like baines as i cant defend) Coleman and some centre mids but overall nothing special.

We had:
Stones
Holgate
Galloway
Barkley
Deulofeu
Lukaku

And just needed to add the same quality but other than Gana (on first impressions) have failed to do so...Williams is a good signing but short term.

Overall a missed opportunity.
 
bobbydigital said:
If they had played a million games for the world 11 it wouldn't matter. The comparison was whether we got stronger than last year, therefore you compare what has come in this year against what has left from last year.

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong I'm just saying that is how you compare improvement from the previous year.
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Only Gana has improved the eleven. SO FAR.
 
dholliday said:
we can't say without any doubt that we're deffo stronger just because our first two games have gone well...if lord forbid Bolasie and Gana bomb and Stek has a row of stinkers so Joel comes back in would we say after a few torrid months that we're still stronger than last season?

We can't say we're stronger because we don't yet know the quality of the new players, as we've only played two games. The lads that have gone were proven, but over the hill...so needed replacing. It remains to be seen if their replacements are actually at least as good.

Time will tell is all. Better yet, we sign one or two players of proven consistent quality before the window closes, then I'll be right onboard with the "stronger than last season" shouts.
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Yes, time will tell all and we have only had two games. However, I think we have a decent bit of knowledge on the quality of the new players. Even though they have only played a couple of games for us, they have been playing in the same league and we have seen them before.

In my opinion, even if they all bomb they will still be more use than the 2015-16 versions of Howard, Osman, Piennar and Hibbert (Stones is obviously a different story). But you are right, it's just opinions and we need to see the actual results of how they work in the team over a number of games.

Anyway, also hopeful we can get a few more in before the deadline and turn an underwhelming yet practical window into a excellent one. Big week ahead.
 
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Zatara said:
Only Gana has improved the eleven. SO FAR.
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I honestly believe our first XI is difficult to improve considering we can't attract very many players of the level above what we have. The midfield and GK were so bad that it didn't take much to make better but elsewhere it's tough. So improving the depth of the team which was almost non existent last season isn't a horrible strategy
 

TheBigIguana said:
I honestly believe our first XI is difficult to improve considering we can't attract very many players of the level above what we have. The midfield and GK were so bad that it didn't take much to make better but elsewhere it's tough. So improving the depth of the team which was almost non existent last season isn't a horrible strategy
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Well, if you take our best players then yes uts hard to improve on them...but thats half a team.

The mysterious thing for me is going from the big names we apparently bid for to the level were seeing now.

As @bluestevon has said a few times, if we truly wanted players then we could get them if we paid enough.
 
Zatara said:
Well, if you take our best players then yes uts hard to improve on them...but thats half a team.

The mysterious thing for me is going from the big names we apparently bid for to the level were seeing now.

As @bluestevon has said a few times, if we truly wanted players then we could get them if we paid enough.
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It's not really mysterious. We targeted those players because we thought we could get them and it didn't happen so we changed strategies. The new plan was to target proven premier League players that could challenge for a spot in the first 11. So we haven't taken the team up a level so much as we made it easier to maintain the top level we're currently at. It's still a positive window
 

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