Alisher Usmanov

[bluestevon]

He certainly is and it would be discourteous to suggest otherwise. However this thread is about whether or not his friend and colleague might also wish to join with him at Everton. It will not affect what is currently being done to our club. My belief is that he will join at some point in the future........

Thing is i haven't seen a single poster suggesting Moshiri is a dissapointment or isn't good enough on this thread, Funny thing is i don't think it effects whats happening in the here and now one bit if he does or doesn't join, Moshiri will still have the same problems and messes to fix or overcome and things like the stadium, new commercial deals and a new look board etc will all have to be done regardless (obviously it may effect how Moshiri goes about these changes and the speed of them etc if he knows that Usmanov is joining him or not), but the prospect of Usmanov joining IS a very interesting and very relevant topic to discuss and the ramifications it will have on how the club would develop.

 

[toffee-boy]

Everton getting a ground on the docks and usmanov has a boat.

Its On ....

 

[Donald Twain]

I'm in town Donnie.

Me too now ! Where are you?

 

[R934]

Hello Friend.

What are your thoughts regarding Mr Usmanov?

I'd be a fool to say it won't happen.

So i'll welcome the latest Russian overlord with open arms if he fancies a bit of blue.

 

[R934]

I'm not personally defending The Esk in the slightest if that's how it appears, yet rather the ability to disclose and discuss fairly and justly on here.

Maybe I'm wrong, however I perceive that you would prefer it to be a linear process of either full disclosure or to have no disclosure at all.

You would rather individuals tell all, which is itself impractical, or simply keep their mouth shut entirely. Yet, it is unfortunately not like that.

Be it to the authorities or to the press, limited disclosure (giving snippets although not enough for liability) is an aspect of providing information.

To one degree it protects the source thus not stopping the spread of information, although arguably it opens up the aspect of integrity as you say.

There are other people on here and on other forums who give snippets of information, and it's for us personally to decide what we take of it.

If there was no information released then we'd have no press coverage at all and very limited discussion on here, as it's the basis for most debate.

In the instance of The Esk then maybe his position does add an additional factor, but I wouldn't say that is in anyway intentional on his behalf.

He's a long-standing and trusted poster on here so people may be more inclined to listen, however you're within your right to doubt and question.

All I am saying is that by making your own thinly veiled allegations as above isn't exactly the subtlest approach to expressing your concerns.

Why not message him directly and ask him? Take it all with a pinch of salt? Or simply read his opinion and chose to disregard it as many do?

Instead, from an objective point of view it does look like it's become a personal witch-hunt, which doesn't do your own integrity any good.

And again that's not defending the Esk but rather an observation of yourself and the situation at hand, which is a real shame really.

As you appear to be quite an articulate individual who could contribute a lot to the forum and you're more than correct to question and doubt.

However, intentionally making yourself an outcast or pariah by latching on to one poster in the way you go about it will not help the situation.

In the end, I am more than happy for people to given information on here and I judge it myself rather than lambaste and criticise.

Only just seen this message so I can only assume you have been on tenterhooks eagerly awaiting my reply.

I'd hate for this to be seen as a witch-hunt, but at the same time many a poster seems to target others as 'wum' or 'popcorning' yet blissfully ignore any questioning of @The Esk.
I can only imagine this is down to his longevity / status within the forum, and by my questioning i'm ruffling a few feathers, but if the esk is open and transparent then nothing needs to be answered for.

As for messaging directly i'll quote myself, because i'm lazy -
If The Esk is allowed to share his information on public platform, then I am allowed to publicly question said information.
If the esk refrains from posting unjustified information on a public forum, and instead uses a pm feature, then I will take my 'agenda' to that format.

Not once has the esk replied to rebuff a question, yet portrays my questions of validity as an both spam and having an agenda.
If the esk is posting information into the public domain, then by right my questioning is not spam, it is a continuation of his post. If anything, -as stated before in a separate post- making unjustified claims and portraying an a defensive unwillingness to answer is spam.

I'm more then happy for people to make claims and release information, but instead of targeting other posters and calling them out [in general terms, not directed at yourself] why is the esk seemingly unquestionable and unanswerable for. Lets be honest, more people listen to the esk due to his status within the forum, and if you are seen in such high regards you leave yourself open to questioning like anyone else.

Btw, just noticed your avatar - good choice

 

[The Esk]

Only just seen this message so I can only assume you have been on tenterhooks eagerly awaiting my reply.

I'd hate for this to be seen as a witch-hunt, but at the same time many a poster seems to target others as 'wum' or 'popcorning' yet blissfully ignore any questioning of @The Esk.
I can only imagine this is down to his longevity / status within the forum, and by my questioning i'm ruffling a few feathers, but if the esk is open and transparent then nothing needs to be answered for.

As for messaging directly i'll quote myself, because i'm lazy -
If The Esk is allowed to share his information on public platform, then I am allowed to publicly question said information.
If the esk refrains from posting unjustified information on a public forum, and instead uses a pm feature, then I will take my 'agenda' to that format.

Not once has the esk replied to rebuff a question, yet portrays my questions of validity as an both spam and having an agenda.
If the esk is posting information into the public domain, then by right my questioning is not spam, it is a continuation of his post. If anything, -as stated before in a separate post- making unjustified claims and portraying an a defensive unwillingness to answer is spam.

I'm more then happy for people to make claims and release information, but instead of targeting other posters and calling them out [in general terms, not directed at yourself] why is the esk seemingly unquestionable and unanswerable for. Lets be honest, more people listen to the esk due to his status within the forum, and if you are seen in such high regards you leave yourself open to questioning like anyone else.

Ok pal, this is the last warning. You either report issues with posts like everyone else, or if it's specifically about me then take it up directly with @GrandOldTeam.

I've been hugely tolerant of you spamming this thread. No more.

 

[Bullet]

Share buyout will 100% happen first, new stadium site will be 100% signed and sealed also, Usmanov won't take any even slight risk of leaving one mess to join another, Moshiri will have to have sorted both things out, then it's a simple matter of sell at Arsenal and buying into Blue Heaven holdings as an equal partner.

So a guestimate on timeline would be later this year to early next - maybe stretching till the summer before it falls into place.

What would a partnership mean, foremost i think it would give us not only the vision of joining the 'elite' but also the financial means to do so - on a timescale that with just Moshiri would be totally impossible, Moshiri alone can turn us into a very well ran club, can sort out the club from top to bottom, can have us competing on the pitch and financially at a level we couldn only have dreamed about a couple of years back, but theres a ceiling on that - we can reach the spurs level but to go above that - the gulf is so huge that it would take a generation or more and would need success throughout that generation on the pitch - all the whilst having 3 clubs who financially can at the flcik of a switch decide to blow the competition out the water (thats assuming nothing major happens involving Liverpool, West Ham or Spurs as well - as all 3 of those are in a situation that a takeover from an Oligarch, Sheikh or Chinese consortium would see them joining the likes of City, chelsea and United as almost untouchable to us - even with Moshiri at the helm)

In simplest terms, the club 'should' be debt free (already apparently is according to some), a new stadium that would match or eclipse those of the biggest clubs in the coountry would be in place (a riverside one would do that - and apparently is also no longer a pipe dream) - with none of that cost being past onto the club as debt, the key talent would be retained and built upon, the club itself would no longer be a jobns for friends place but with the best people in the roles that we could attract, yest again we are starting to see the signs of that, commercial dealings would be masively increased (possibly through the slightly dodgy city model of Usmanov self funding those deals) and the club would be fast tracked to the status it enjoyed under Moores time at the helm, as in one of the top teams both on and off the field.

Short term we'd see a massive sea change in the club, long term it would be unrecognizeable and after a settlign in period with the 'media' etc we'd be put on par with the way they regard Chelsea, City etc, but with a hostory that far exceeds those clubs - and a hostory that whilst largely ignored in recent times by the media world, would quickly get disted off and brought out again should the club once again join the top clubs in the country

Finally! That's the first post I've read here that constructs a compelling and rational narrative in which we could, in time, make the huge leap necessary to compete with the super rich elite at the very top. It admittedly relies upon an unknown, Usmanov's intentions. Both on whether he intends to follow Moshiri to us and how much of his great wealth he would be willing to invest if he did.
I enjoy, and seek out, the contributions of @The Esk but I've always believed that the unrealistically positive and extremely popular narrative he's constructed, just like the unrealistically negative 'nothing has changed' one, simply does not ring true. That is the idea that Moshiri, a man who's only mid-table in the premiership owners wealth league, through some financial alchemy has overnight propelled us onto a level whereby we could realistically attain the likes of Mourinho, Monchi a procession of Champs league players with a gigantic net budget and see the appointment of David Dein and Gilvary of BP to the board this summer.
Many positive changes are taking place quickly, in particular the appointment of RK, as the ambitious Moshiri drives forward with his plan but the summer has unquestionably shown that they are not in the order of magnitude predicted. Some of our success starved fan base who post on here are suspicious of anyone who points that out as it challenges what they desperately want to believe.
Even if Usmanov plans to come there are many things that could scupper that for example lack of progress with the stadium, change at Arsenal or ill health (I've noticed he's somewhat corpulent). We'll simply have to watch and wait. Whether it's Usmanov and Moshiri, or just Moshiri, this is the most positive I've been about EFC in my adult life so I'm going to enjoy the ride and try not to get impatient when the inevitable bumps on the road are met.

 

[R934]

Ok pal, this is the last warning. You either report issues with posts like everyone else, or if it's specifically about me then take it up directly with @GrandOldTeam.

I've been hugely tolerant of you spamming this thread. No more.

I respect your 'tolerance', so please allow me to ask yet again 'pal'

How is responding to claims you have made spam?
How is questioning, thus engaging and creating discussion within a thread spam?
How is highlighting issues, and being approachable to those who reply to my posts spam?

I'd feel using the report function as misuse of material, when all i've ever wanted and all I have engaged with is yourself, who has chosen to ignore every question, yet call me out for an agenda. It's impressive the levels of tolerance you have shown, but I feel you have failed to engage in open discussion with me, which has directly effected the flow of this thread.

If what I have stated is spam, then so be it, but please be held accountable for creating discussion and question to your posts.
I will note for future reference to not engage with anything you post, given accusations of spam.

Talk about a witch-hunt

 

[RaleighBlue]

I respect your 'tolerance', so please allow me to ask yet again 'pal'

How is responding to claims you have made spam?
How is questioning, thus engaging and creating discussion within a thread spam?
How is highlighting issues, and being approachable to those who reply to my posts spam?

I'd feel using the report function as misuse of material, when all i've ever wanted and all I have engaged with is yourself, who has chosen to ignore every question, yet call me out for an agenda. It's impressive the levels of tolerance you have shown, but I feel you have failed to engage in open discussion with me, which has directly effected the flow of this thread.

If what I have stated is spam, then so be it, but please be held accountable for creating discussion and question to your posts.
I will note for future reference to not engage with anything you post, given accusations of spam.

Talk about a witch-hunt

Honestly? Because it's not about Alisher Usmanov and his possible links with Everton.

We get it. You said your piece.

Now pipe down.

 

[roydo]

Talk about a witch-hunt

Talk about ironic.

 

[R934]

Honestly? Because it's not about Alisher Usmanov and his possible links with Everton.

We get it. You said your piece.

Now pipe down.

How?

Please tell me how asking a question which is directly related to posts from @The Esk regarding Usmanov not related?

Is this thread some dictatorship, though sharl not question the validity of the esks post.

Understandably, this reply is not related to Usmanov, but would you rather I be ignorant and ignore you - the whole put of a forum is to converse.
As in life, conversations are not solely directed by title or topic, thus numerous discussions break-out, if thats not engaging and creating then what is, and whats the point of this platform?

 

[R934]

Talk about ironic.

Glad you noticed

 

[summerisle]

I've become hideously bad at [Poor language removed] stirring of late and it perturbs greatly.

Soz to all.

Take some laxatives.

 

[The Esk]

I respect your 'tolerance', so please allow me to ask yet again 'pal'

How is responding to claims you have made spam?
How is questioning, thus engaging and creating discussion within a thread spam?
How is highlighting issues, and being approachable to those who reply to my posts spam?

I'd feel using the report function as misuse of material, when all i've ever wanted and all I have engaged with is yourself, who has chosen to ignore every question, yet call me out for an agenda. It's impressive the levels of tolerance you have shown, but I feel you have failed to engage in open discussion with me, which has directly effected the flow of this thread.

If what I have stated is spam, then so be it, but please be held accountable for creating discussion and question to your posts.
I will note for future reference to not engage with anything you post, given accusations of spam.

Talk about a witch-hunt

It's not a witch hunt believe me. You've posted 34 times at the time of this post, of which approximately 2/3rd have related to me, my posting style, and demanding accountability.

I'm accountable to the site owner as his guest on his site and the site rules, nothing else.
If you continue you will get a thread ban, and after that a ban from the site. There is the opportunity for you to report posts or communicate your concerns with the site owner. I strongly advise you to take this course should you wish to remain here.

 

[RaleighBlue]

How?

Please tell me how asking a question which is directly related to posts from @The Esk regarding Usmanov not related?

Is this thread some dictatorship, though sharl not question the validity of the esks post.

Understandably, this reply is not related to Usmanov, but would you rather I be ignorant and ignore you - the whole put of a forum is to converse.
As in life, conversations are not solely directed by title or topic, thus numerous discussions break-out, if thats not engaging and creating then what is, and whats the point of this platform?

Because @The Esk has never once said he's ITK about Usmanov. He is offering his opinion. Rather than addressing his opinion, as I and most other have, you are addressing the poster himself.

I happen to seriously question The Esk on this issue (and while I think he passes his information on in good faith, I remain neutral on his ITK credentials...but I've been around long enough to believe the man is a decent sort and is doing what he can for Evertonians, even if he's wrong in the end), but I'm addressing his actual points, not his character.