The EU deal

[Seanjd]

On our fishing industry:

And so fishing should be regulated. Don't know what the idiot on that film is complaining about. To be honest, I deemed it invalid when I saw the same 'film maker' has also uploaded gushing pro-trump videos called "Trump Save Us" with anti-Muslim propaganda, and pictures of Merkel with a Hitler moustache. Try to find more balance sources.

 

[Seanjd]

Do you know about the EU constitution/Lisbon Treaty? Where they ignored countless referendums?

Ignored countless referendums? Where on earth are you getting your information from? The proposed EU constitution didn't go ahead because of the referendums which took place in France and Netherlands at the time. The constitution needed to be ratified by all states, but wasn't, so those referendums weren't ignored, were they?

The only referendum concerning the Lisbon Treaty was in Ireland, and the second referendum voted for the treaty overwhelmingly after the EU conceded that they would not change Irelands stance on issues such as abortion. So again, that referendum wasn't ignored. Are there any I've missed?

 

[Yid4life]

Put that into context. Divided between the countries in the EU, it's but a drop in the ocean. We waste something like 30-40bn a year, ten times that figure, on tax avoidance and tax fraud in this country.

Not sure who has said that everyone who wants us to leave the EU is a racist. I would say that the main issue amongst people who want to leave is immigration though. Dress it up as anti-democratic, too expensive, whatever, but it all boils down to immigration; hence the spike in support since the horrible Turkey scaremongering. I haven't heard one person put forward any indication as to how we might cope in terms of trade. Even the Leavers are admitting there will be a dip if we leave to cover their backs if the inevitable happens.

You have all fallen for the anti immigration rhetoric, as if immigration harms this country. We should be proud of our acceptance and should seek to accept more.

Not sure what your last comment has to do with this debate, by the way.

I agree the tax avoidance figure for the UK is around £34bn annually but to put that into context, that figure in the EU is circa EUR 1 trillion.

Perhaps we should compare apples with apples?

 

[daylightrobber]

I agree the tax avoidance figure for the UK is around £34bn annually but to put that into context, that figure in the EU is circa EUR 1 trillion.

Perhaps we should compare apples with apples?

Not really the point though is it? What Sean was rightly pointing out was that when compared to national governments, the EU is nowhere near as wasteful as made out. Your post kind of confirms this.

It also goes some way to explaining why Greece found itself in such a mess.

 

[Yid4life]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120

As i said. Fait Accompli.

One of the main reasons many people want to Leave is the lack of democracy. News like this will back-fire on the Remain camp.

Latest Telegraph online poll of 19k voters puts Leave at 69% Remain at 29%.

 

[Seanjd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120

As i said. Fait Accompli.

One of the main reasons many people want to Leave is the lack of democracy. News like this will back-fire on the Remain camp.

Latest Telegraph online poll of 19k voters puts Leave at 69% Remain at 29%.

I think that Telegraph poll of 19,000 Telegraph subscribers is great if you want to know how middle class right wing telegraph subscribers are going to vote. But I think we knew that already. Their last 6 polls average puts remain on 51%. It's gon' be close.

 

[Cypher]

Our city wouldn't be as fair if it weren't for European funding. Bitter experience has taught me that the people in Whitehall do not care about Merseyside or its people.

That's why we need more devolution not less.

 

[Cypher]

President of the European Parliament.

At least he's being honest.

 

[Cypher]

If you have nothing sensible to say....... Do you now want to deny British citizenship to people born in this country?

It's a perfectly sensible statement.

What we see with immigration especially uncontrolled immigration where we take in poor people to essentially act as a slave labour class is that while the 1st generation work hard and do those jobs the 2nd generation who are born here but not of British descent grow up to be resentful that people of their race/religion/creed are essentially no better than slaves in the society and that causes all sorts of social problems. A main one being terrorism but there are others like race riots etc.

My argument has nothing to do with citizenship but the social problems caused by immigration which sometimes aren't fully realized until the next generation.

But by that point it is "home grown" and if you say it has anything to do with immigration you are a racist.

 

[Cypher]

Either you are deliberately fear mongering, or with all due respect, you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
Turkey applied to join in the 1980s. They've so far met 1 of the 35 conditions required of them before full membership will be voted on. And this is where the fact all countries get a veto counts.

They have also met 65 of the 72 conditions for visa free travel.

 

[Cypher]

If any country, it will be one of the ex communist, Christian nations. It will not be our nation. Our elite like mass immigration, cheap labour for them and they do not have to deal with the negatives. They can then also play divide and conquer strategies. It's like in America, does anyone actually believe that the Democrats want mass immigration out of the goodness of their hearts? No, they are simply importing Democrat voters.

Exactly and look what happens. White people are now increasingly voting for one party and "minorities" are voting for another party. The US is a powder keg ready to go off and we are importing the same problem here which will have exactly the same results.

 

[daylightrobber]

They have also met 65 of the 72 conditions for visa free travel.

Which I've pointed out several times is for travel across the Schengen area only, so not the UK or Ireland (or Denmark). It gives no rights to work or live. We have similar visa agreements for many other countries and surprisingly the whole populations of those haven't moved here. Scare tactics.

 

[Seanjd]

Exactly and look what happens. White people are now increasingly voting for one party and "minorities" are voting for another party. The US is a powder keg ready to go off and we are importing the same problem here which will have exactly the same results.

Absolute rubbish I'm afraid. White people 'increasingly voted' for the other party in 1997. I think immigration happened then, too.

 

[daylightrobber]

It's a perfectly sensible statement.

What we see with immigration especially uncontrolled immigration where we take in poor people to essentially act as a slave labour class is that while the 1st generation work hard and do those jobs the 2nd generation who are born here but not of British descent grow up to be resentful that people of their race/religion/creed are essentially no better than slaves in the society and that causes all sorts of social problems. A main one being terrorism but there are others like race riots etc.

My argument has nothing to do with citizenship but the social problems caused by immigration which sometimes aren't fully realized until the next generation.

But by that point it is "home grown" and if you say it has anything to do with immigration you are a racist.

Can you clarify whether you think this is the case in regards to EU immigrants seeing as the debate is about the EU?

 

[Seanjd]

It's a perfectly sensible statement.

What we see with immigration especially uncontrolled immigration where we take in poor people to essentially act as a slave labour class is that while the 1st generation work hard and do those jobs the 2nd generation who are born here but not of British descent grow up to be resentful that people of their race/religion/creed are essentially no better than slaves in the society and that causes all sorts of social problems. A main one being terrorism but there are others like race riots etc.

My argument has nothing to do with citizenship but the social problems caused by immigration which sometimes aren't fully realized until the next generation.

But by that point it is "home grown" and if you say it has anything to do with immigration you are a racist.

Those who turn to terrorism, rioting or whatever have been let down by our society. These people are often the poorest in our communities, and like poor white people, they are demonised. White people resist through crime as well. The root problem is not 'uncontrolled' immigration, but class warfare.