Farhad Moshiri

[Goat]

Yes, but to whom?

Why would anyone buy 30% of a company owned by an autocrat and at the same time give Usmanov the freedom to build a competitor to Arsenal. You just do not allow a potential competitor that ability to compete.

There's 5 or 6 board rooms in the PL who must give thanks to Kroenke every night for locking Usmanov into a position of no influence or power. No investor in Arsenal is going to release the bird from the cage to build a competitor.

Well to Kroenke for 1, I know, or rather I should say, Usmanov strikes me as a man that doesnt like to admit defeat, but he could sell up to kroenke with the belief that hes gonna build a team that challenges his top 4 position.

To investors for another, people buy shares all the time, buying shares in Arsenal seems a low risk high reward option currently, from the outside, nothing like the growth that Usmanov has gained or even somebody like Bill/Earl.

He doesnt even need to sell the shares as a 30% block, he could just simply list the shares and surely people would buy them?

 

[ncblue]

That's possible, but again why make a decision which would allow a competitor the opportunity to compete? The last thing Kroenke wants is for Usmanov to leave and create another Chelsea, which of course he has the resources (and probably the motivation should he leave) to do.

Wouldn't keeping him out of the boardroom do just that? Surely if Kroenke wanted Usmanov to stay at Arsenal he would be more conciliatory towards him.

 

[BNJ1878]

you need to stop justifying ways to make yourself believe this rubbish.

Hahaha..... obviously you need to go back to school and study comprehension as I have not stated who or what I believe.

Keep on getting excited at other peoples apparent wrongness if it makes you feel better though mate.

 

[The Esk]

Thing is mate, Kroenke has sat on Arsenal without ever pumping money into the club - when he easily could do and in effect they have a silly amount of money just sitting around doing nothing whilst other teams have passed them by with 'new money', if he hasnt worried about that competition and acted then why would another one springing up suddenly cause him concern, in many ways Usmanov is the pain in his bum atm, and removing him would solve what can be best described as a nuisance and rallying point for anti kroenke feelign at the club

I think because Kroenke is playing a game of minimal spending whilst retaining CL status, something that Wenger has bought into completely. He'll spend in response to competition if he believes he has to. For the last 20 (?) years he's not had to. This summer may require him to do so but he's built large cash reserves which he can use if necessary.

He's not though going to allow Usmanov to sell to him and then compete with him.

 

[The Esk]

"The two biggest shareholders in Arsenal Holdings are the American Stan Kroenke, who holds 66.64 per cent of the parent company, and the Russian-Uzbek Alisher Usmanov, who owns 29.11 per cent.

That means that under the official takeover panel rules, Kroenke must in due course make an offer for every available share in the club."

At Arsenal, it is a clear example of the majority shareholder stockpiling cash to pull off a full takeover of the remaining shares.


Read more at http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/...her-usmanov-is-happy-too/#PuAf8AwM0txwe90G.99

Didn't he do that in 2011 when he bought Danny Fiszman and Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith's shares and failed?

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Didn't he do that in 2011 when he bought Danny Fiszman and Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith's shares?

That article is from sept 2015.

Changes things does n't it.

He must offer to buy Usmanov's shares if he puts them up for sale.

 

[Goat]

I think because Kroenke is playing a game of minimal spending whilst retaining CL status, something that Wenger has bought into completely. He'll spend in response to competition if he believes he has to. For the last 20 (?) years he's not had to. This summer may require him to do so but he's built large cash reserves which he can use if necessary.

He's not though going to allow Usmanov to sell to him and then compete with him.

Lets assume Usmanov wants to sell.

Kroenke has 2 options :

1. Buy them off him and gain full control of the club, something im aware he doesnt need, but 100% profit/control is 100% profit/control
2. Allow somebody else to buy them or allow 100 different people to buy them, thus making it "harder" to gain 100% control in the future

 

[The Esk]

That article is from sept 2015.

Changes things does n't it.

He must offer to buy Usmanov's shares if he puts them up for sale.

He went above the 30% threshold in 2011. He made an offer for R&W's shares - they refused.

He does not have to make another mandatory offer.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

He went above the 30% threshold in 2011. He made an offer for R&W's shares - they refused.

He does not have to make another mandatory offer.

I'll take your word for that, it sounds like to me that with Kroneke being the majority shareholder must offer to buy any shares that become available, he bought shares this week.

That article is from 2015, not 2011.

 

[Goat]

I'll take your word for that, it sounds like to me that with Kroneke being the majority shareholder must offer to buy any shares that become available, he bought shares this week.

That article is from 2015, not 2011.

Yes but the point Esk is making is that the story is, for want of a better phrase, chatting wham with regards the mandatory offer.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Yes but the point Esk is making is that the story is, for want of a better phrase, chatting wham with regards the mandatory offer.

Everything I read is that Kroneke is more than willing to buy any shares going, he wants 93% so he has full control, he can even delist it from the stock exchange if he gets that.

Esk saying Kroneke would not want to buy Usmanov out is the exact opposite as to what Kroneke's intentions have been with regards to Arsenal so far.

Usmanov stands between him having full control of Arsenal, which has always been the intention from Kroneke.

 

[Goat]

Everything I read is that Kroneke is more than willing to buy any shares going, he wants 93% so he has full control, he can even delist it from the stock exchange if he gets that.

Esk saying Kroneke would not want to buy Usmanov out is the exact opposite as to what Kroneke's intentions have been with regards to Arsenal so far.

Usmanov stands between him having full control of Arsenal, which has always been the intention from Kroneke.

To be honest I was convinced Usmanov wasnt coming.

But ive heard very different, so theres 2 sources I trust, both saying the opposite thing, as I say, time will judge who was right and who was wrong, which isnt really fair, cos things change every second in football and business.

 

[ijjysmith]

WELCOME USMANOV

 

[The Mighty Quint]

He's just bought this so he can park it on the docks on matchdays at the new stadium, how much more proof do you guys need?

 

[Muggins]

WELCOME USMANOV

What's going on lad? Missed loads of nothing.