Farhad Moshiri

[bluestevon]

Yes, but to whom?

Why would anyone buy 30% of a company owned by an autocrat and at the same time give Usmanov the freedom to build a competitor to Arsenal. You just do not allow a potential competitor that ability to compete.

There's 5 or 6 board rooms in the PL who must give thanks to Kroenke every night for locking Usmanov into a position of no influence or power. No investor in Arsenal is going to release the bird from the cage to build a competitor.

How about a investor who wishes to have a boardroom influence with Arsenal though mate, Usmanov is frozen out entirely because of who he is, another 30% investor would be unlikely to get the same treatment, additionally should Usmanov a year after Moshiri leaves sell up - then would they consider it as unlilely it was to follow Moshiri, if the answer is yes then it's an idea

 

[BNJ1878]

and a very good ITK on this very forum has said it's not happening!

That's very true. But so long as it's posted in "good faith" then just read what they are saying and draw your own conclusions.

Chances are slim they have the same source, so whoever they hear things off maybe closer to certain areas of the business than others.

I hear things from time to time, some of what I have heard has been backed up in recent days, some hasn't.

I certainly wouldn't disregard what I hear if something fell through.

Obvs good faith doesn't apply to Moley.

 

[roydo]

Or what he has said himself.

*thread bans self*

 

[bluestevon]

you keep on believing then mate, it is all idle speculation in the event of there being no manager news!

Mate read my pot history on the matter, said from early on that it is a posibility although an unlikely one, my point on that still stands - possible - not likely

 

[bluestevon]

TBF, Esk has not claimed inside info on this, ( dont think), although he may well have some, but he has explained that if it was the intention, then it is a weird way of going about it.

And utterly illogical to boot.

And also a very difficult position to sell his Arsenal shares from.

Aye i know mate, just making a point about no two ITK's will have the same information

Much like you never had a clue about anything outside of the Ukraine that was going on

 

[The Esk]

In many ways isn't the exit strategy of one going then the other following a more plausible way to get out of Arsenal for maximum return of investment then mate, IF your saying that should they think he was going to buy another club he wouldn't buy them, as it would strengthen a rival, then the exact level of scepticsm your having about this would be exactly what Usmanov would want isn't it?

IF both him and Moshiri tried to sell at the same time their R and W holdings then alarm bells would have sounded loud and clear

It was the only way of one of them gaining control of a football club because it only needed their agreement.

When R&W holdings was jointly owned, they faced exactly the issues I mentioned above - they we're both locked in. Now at least Moshiri has the ability to achieve himself.

 

[Norwegian Cow]

Or what he has said himself.

*thread bans self*

Finally we can go off topic all we like!

 

[tirion]

That's very true. But so long as it's posted in "good faith" then just read what they are saying and draw your own conclusions.

Chances are slim they have the same source, so whoever they hear things off maybe closer to certain areas of the business than others.

I hear things from time to time, some of what I have heard has been backed up in recent days, some hasn't.

I certainly wouldn't disregard what I hear if something fell through.

Obvs good faith doesn't apply to Moley.

you need to stop justifying ways to make yourself believe this rubbish.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Yes, but to whom?

Why would anyone buy 30% of a company owned by an autocrat and at the same time give Usmanov the freedom to build a competitor to Arsenal. You just do not allow a potential competitor that ability to compete.

Would Kreonke not purchase to get rid of the thorn in his side?

(for the record, I don't think Usmanov is coming to Everton).

 

[roydo]

Would Kreonke not purchase to get rid of the thorn in his side?

(for the record, I don't think Usmanov is coming to Everton).

But then the thorn in his side would then be one watering cash on another PL club.

 

[The Esk]

How about a investor who wishes to have a boardroom influence with Arsenal though mate, Usmanov is frozen out entirely because of who he is, another 30% investor would be unlikely to get the same treatment, additionally should Usmanov a year after Moshiri leaves sell up - then would they consider it as unlilely it was to follow Moshiri, if the answer is yes then it's an idea

That's possible, but again why make a decision which would allow a competitor the opportunity to compete? The last thing Kroenke wants is for Usmanov to leave and create another Chelsea, which of course he has the resources (and probably the motivation should he leave) to do.

 

[bluestevon]

It was the only way of one of them gaining control of a football club because it only needed their agreement.

When R&W holdings was jointly owned, they faced exactly the issues I mentioned above - they we're both locked in. Now at least Moshiri has the ability to achieve himself.

Given that scenario and given the people that Usmanov has dealing with, do you not think that a sale of his 30% shares could happen, in effect selling on what is a low risk investment in Arsenal for example to a business associate or associates who are themselves extremely wealthy, in many ways exactly what Usmanov did by buying Moshiris half share in r and w?

Just speculating here mate really

 

[The Esk]

Would Kreonke not purchase to get rid of the thorn in his side?

(for the record, I don't think Usmanov is coming to Everton).

He doesn't need to. He's got complete control of Arsenal and he can stomach the complaints (or ignore as he has) of Usmanov and the fans (albeit to a lesser degree)

 

[bluestevon]

That's possible, but again why make a decision which would allow a competitor the opportunity to compete? The last thing Kroenke wants is for Usmanov to leave and create another Chelsea, which of course he has the resources (and probably the motivation should he leave) to do.

Thing is mate, Kroenke has sat on Arsenal without ever pumping money into the club - when he easily could do and in effect they have a silly amount of money just sitting around doing nothing whilst other teams have passed them by with 'new money', if he hasnt worried about that competition and acted then why would another one springing up suddenly cause him concern, in many ways Usmanov is the pain in his bum atm, and removing him would solve what can be best described as a nuisance and rallying point for anti kroenke feelign at the club

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Yes, but to whom?

Why would anyone buy 30% of a company owned by an autocrat and at the same time give Usmanov the freedom to build a competitor to Arsenal. You just do not allow a potential competitor that ability to compete.

There's 5 or 6 board rooms in the PL who must give thanks to Kroenke every night for locking Usmanov into a position of no influence or power. No investor in Arsenal is going to release the bird from the cage to build a competitor.

"The two biggest shareholders in Arsenal Holdings are the American Stan Kroenke, who holds 66.64 per cent of the parent company, and the Russian-Uzbek Alisher Usmanov, who owns 29.11 per cent.

That means that under the official takeover panel rules, Kroenke must in due course make an offer for every available share in the club."

At Arsenal, it is a clear example of the majority shareholder stockpiling cash to pull off a full takeover of the remaining shares.


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