Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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bcblue1878 said:
BlockHead, I think you are 100% (well may be 90+%) right, particularly having followed what Esk has said over the last week or so! But I still can't get why Martinez is still here, all it and the silence from above is doing is causing more and more bad feeling, some of which I fear will be very evident on Saturday! Temporary appointment from now until season's end, a few U21'S given a game, and the bad feeling goes away! Why drag it out?
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I can't offer a credible reason myself BC, other than maybe it's just Everton trying to do things 'politically correctly' i.e. getting the replacement fully lined up before dismissing the man in situ.

I know that if this was me in a similar position in my job, my guvnor wouldn't have given it a second thought... I'd have been telephoned yesterday and told not to bother coming in this morning, and that I could retain the use of the company car until such time as my severance package was sorted and advised to me.
 
FA cup winners in Martinez's tenure. Arsenal, Arsenal, United (probably)

League cup winners: Man City, Chelsea, Man City.

For me we are no closer to a trophy under Martinez than we were under Moyes. We have seen the same pattern of top clubs picking up the pots as we did under Moyes. Part of his appeal seemed to be based on the fact he won the FA cup so was therefore a good trophy winner. We were almost hoping he would just fluke one. In reality though his fluke has already happened. The same as McCleish's Laudrup's Redknapp's etc. The combination of a decent team and favourable run with good luck. The records show that most years it doesn't happen. Most years a good side wins it. So if Everton are serious about ending the trophy drought. Get a top manager in and back him with cash. Praying for the exception to the rule will yield at best a single success but as has been shown even that is unlikely to happen.
 
BlueToff said:
Haha.

In my defence, I think at the time when I and a few others stuck by him he was showing signs he knew what he was doing.

Since the start of March - specifically that West Ham result - I think many lost faith though. Then I think against Arsenal, the players lost faith too. Throwing Baines under the bus was the final straw and, although we played very well in the second half at Wembley, there's now nothing left to play for and really no reason for him to stay.

The first half of the season we were playing some brilliant stuff going forward.

We had that spell through Jan to Feb where, bar the league cup defeat, we were looking like we'd found a balance.

But he's/the squad have complete lost it from then and now there's nothing.
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yes, Hammers was the game which saw a critical mass turn against him.

Niasse has turned out to be the rock upon which H.M.S. Martinez ran aground.
 

Feel like the guy at the end of the social network, constantly refreshing the page.

Wish I had one of those waiting machine things

 
billytoffee said:
Everyday is becoming a match day - wake up full of hope - get anxious as the day goes on - little glimmers of hope and then dissapoinment leading to miserabe at bed time!

Come on Mosh - put us out of our misery!
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Exactly how I feel- how the F is he still in a job this morning?

Still, gives you something to look forward to in the morning…
 
Khalekan said:
On the other hand Moyes has been found wanting in both jobs he has had subsequent to leaving here.

The truth is both Moyes and Martinez are bang average managers whom would both have been out on their arse at Everton some time before they eventually did go if they had not been employed during the Bill Kenwright era.

Arguing which manager is the best between the pair of them is like two bald men arguing over which shampoo is the best IMO.
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Its justification over the manager, or a better worded version of that lol

Moyes came into a poor team and drilled disipline and tactics into them they were lacking and made them a unit. It took him so far hence the top half finishes and europe, but ultimatly only got him so far before it hit a brick wall. It was the brick wall he he continued to hit at sociedad and united, his methods are limited but effective.

Martinez is a huge risk manager, as wigan proved. He can do something but it carries risk. Wigans risk was relegation, ours is losing some valuable playing assets following failure. Sadly that is what you sign up for with roberto, it either will work amazingly well, or there is a risk of something (or everything) going wrong trying to do it.
 

Mickey said:
Moyes had loads of faults but is 10x the manager of Bobby. Moyes couldn't take us to the next level but we could at least win at home. Bobby had the cup now he has nothing it's why he'll throw everyone and anyone under the bus now to brass it out till he gets sacked.
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They're both awful managers and I'd like an elite manager this time, the very best not someone plucked from Preston or Wigan.
 
It's not hate, I don't hate him as a person at all. He does frustrate me with the absolute tosh he comes out with, he's just not good enough and our club is far too big for him.

You're a nice guy and I really do believe you've bought into what it means to be an Evertonian. But saying that ... we now have a new owner, we are entering a new era, our ambitions and expectations are far higher than they've ever been in a very long time. Unfortunately you just don't meet these expectations, it's nothing personal, it's just the way football works and our great historic football club comes before anyone or anything. Thanks for the first season, the win at Old Trafford, the 72 points etc etc. Good luck with your future adventures.

That's how it should be done. The board needs to stop this mess now before it gets worse, having him still being manager at Goodison on Saturday will just be like throwing him into a toxic cauldron. The atmosphere, the hatred, the abuse, it will be like nothing seen before. It's not fair on the fans, it's not fair on the players and it's not fair on him (even though he brings it on himself, he is still a human being). Just end it all now so we can all move on. I just want my Everton back ffs.
 
BlueToff said:
Haha.

In my defence, I think at the time when I and a few others stuck by him he was showing signs he knew what he was doing.

Since the start of March - specifically that West Ham result - I think many lost faith though. Then I think against Arsenal, the players lost faith too. Throwing Baines under the bus was the final straw and, although we played very well in the second half at Wembley, there's now nothing left to play for and really no reason for him to stay.

The first half of the season we were playing some brilliant stuff going forward.

We had that spell through Jan to Feb where, bar the league cup defeat, we were looking like we'd found a balance.

But he's/the squad have complete lost it from then and now there's nothing.
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Agree with everything you say here.

I think most people that have been classed as being in the 'cult' are just more patient as long as they're given reason to be positive about the future progression of the team. We showed more promise in the first half of the season and despite RM's bad game management I do believe we had some bad luck in games earlier in the season.

The last part of the season has been a shambles and it appears the players don't believe in him. I believe his style of football can work 'if' and it's a big 'if' in his case, you can organise your team to press and give it balance defensively, things that he's shown he's unable to deliver.
 
Khalekan said:
yes, Hammers was the game which saw a critical mass turn against him.

Niasse has turned out to be the rock upon which H.M.S. Martinez ran aground.
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I'd have said it was the 3 at the back, offensive sub, denial of a crossing weakness that ran him ashore lol
 
Bottom line is it is bang out of order for Martinez to swipe at Moyes. Moyes did a good job with limited resources and Martinez had no right to dig, especially given that he hasn't done anything that Moyes didn't and has spent more.

Neither Moyes or Martinez are top managers, both have their flaws and strengths, and its time for us as a club to strive for better.

I'll always be thankful for what Moyes did, given his resources and budget and consistently taking us to a top seven finish - especially when you look at what he took over from.

Martinez gave me the best year supporting Everton (that I can remember) in his first year in charge and built on what Moyes had left - albeit with a bit of luck. Since then though, he's destroyed everything Moyes built to install his own philosophy - which I wouldn't of minded had it worked - but it's been quite the opposite.

As I said, it's time for us to strive for better and get back to the top with this new owner - make a statement and bring in a world class manager. No more nearly men, bring in a winner - someone that might spice things up and do things different - but after 21 years of nothing I think it's safe to say we need a change.
 
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