Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Khalekan]

My counsel to Moshiri is to not allow wastage of money.

lol lol lol


I am sure the billionaire Moshiri will be most grateful for your counsel in matters fiduciary.

He could do worse than take you on as his vizier, Damon

 

[Khalekan]

I wasn't at the match due to work commitments but I chose to watch other matches for the first half, and couldn't be arsed with most of the palace game too. We are true S on a stick to watch

You dodged a bullet, Doc.

It was the most soul destroying game I have witnessed since I sat with 13,000 other shivering diehards to watch a scoreless draw with Cov circa 1982

 

[LABlue2]

how is martinez a potentially very good manager.

he's had nearly ten years to prove he's a 'good manager' and hasn't.

That's like saying a 30 year old striker still has potential, after years of being average.

No need to bring Kone into this mate

 

[Khalekan]

Last two seasons

2014/15 : 11th place, 47 points, 13 points behind 7th
2015/16 : Currently 11th place, 41 points, 10 points behind 7th with 5 games to go.

I mention how many points behind 7th, because 7th is the lowest place you can be in to have a chance of qualifying for Europe based on your league position. If I was in charge, that wouldn't fill me with confidence that Martinez is the man to push on for Champions League qualification after an injection of cash. If he was within touching distance of 7th on points, it'd be a different story.

The brutal reality is that after one very good season, he's not shown anything to suggest that he's the man to break the glass ceiling. As fans, our expectations are probably too high and we think we should be pushing for Champions League with this squad, but more pragmatic minds will be looking how far off 7th we are, scratching their heads a bit and preparing for a change.

Say United win the Cup and finish 5th.

And the RS finish 7th but win the EL.

They would then go to the CL, leaving only two English teams in the EL next season.......United and whoever finishes 6th.

Would the team finishing 8th then be given the third EL English berth, Woolly?

 

[Woolly Blue]

Say United win the Cup and finish 5th.

And the RS finish 7th but win the EL.

They would then go to the CL, leaving only two English teams in the EL next season.......United and whoever finishes 6th.

Would the team finishing 8th then be given the third EL English berth, Wooly?

You called me Wooly so I refuse to answer on the basis that Woolly has two l's.

 

[Khalekan]

You called me Wooly so I refuse to answer on the basis that Woolly has two l's.

Fixed it.

There is an optical illusion for you....I have never noticed that extra L in your name before

 

[Sentinel]

It was the most soul destroying game I have witnessed since I sat with 13,000 other shivering diehards to watch a scoreless draw with Cov circa 1982

Now that was a grim game. And to be fair, not many were predicting Kendall would survive.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Say United win the Cup and finish 5th.

And the RS finish 7th but win the EL.

They would then go to the CL, leaving only two English teams in the EL next season.......United and whoever finishes 6th.

Would the team finishing 8th then be given the third EL English berth, Woolly?

Think it goes to FA Cup Runner-Up?

 

[moyes cardy]

I wasn't at the match due to work commitments but I chose to watch other matches for the first half, and couldn't be arsed with most of the palace game too. We are true S on a stick to watch

Wow - what a grim statement to make - at the end of the day were still Everton - players / managers mean nothing but lose the will to watch / support and the end is near.

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

Last two seasons

2014/15 : 11th place, 47 points, 13 points behind 7th
2015/16 : Currently 11th place, 41 points, 10 points behind 7th with 5 games to go.

I mention how many points behind 7th, because 7th is the lowest place you can be in to have a chance of qualifying for Europe based on your league position. If I was in charge, that wouldn't fill me with confidence that Martinez is the man to push on for Champions League qualification after an injection of cash. If he was within touching distance of 7th on points, it'd be a different story.

The brutal reality is that after one very good season, he's not shown anything to suggest that he's the man to break the glass ceiling. As fans, our expectations are probably too high and we think we should be pushing for Champions League with this squad, but more pragmatic minds will be looking how far off 7th we are, scratching their heads a bit and preparing for a change.

But are they really? Let's analyze our strongest starting 11:

Robles- OK there's room for improvement but a decent/average keeper
Baines- One of the best full backs in the world
Jags/Stones- England internationals, one of them touted to be the best English defender since Ferdinand
Coleman- A good right back, best in the prem attacking wise

Barry- seasoned veteran who still dictates the midfield
McCarthy- a bit over rated in my opinion but a decent midfielder
Barkley- touted to be one of the best midfielders since Gazza- really a unique player

Mirallas- brilliant player, ruined by Martinez
Rom- wanted by Bayern, Juve
Del- great player, seems to have gotten lazy and doesn't give a crap anymore

That to me is a top 5 squad on paper. That's not including Lennon, Besic, Mori and the youth coming up.

 

[Lee Smith]

Think it goes to FA Cup Runner-Up?

Pretty sure FA cup runner ups no longer get European qualification no matter what. Also in answer to @Khalekan's question I'm pretty sure 8th wouldn't get a EL slot

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

Wow - what a grim statement to make - at the end of the day were still Everton - players / managers mean nothing but lose the will to watch / support and the end is near.

....don't think it's about the 'end being near' mate, think it's simply about not having the stomach to watch crap any more TBH.

 

[JAYTALITY]

That really does sum everything up.

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

We're not asking to win every game and boss the opponents around. We're just asking for the players to give it their all. Under this manager they aren't arsed. The only reason we aren't as bad as Villa is because we have better quality. For this reason alone Martinez has to go. The players are not playing for him.

 

[jinkyali]

Look at the bounce Valencia have had since Neville left.
Don't like the manager, don't perform.

Best thing for all is he either leaves tonight tomorrow or the players are told he's off in summer.

We can win the cup with or without this manager.