Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[ultra]

The thing is you could argue we've been close to a decent season. I hate the phrase fine margins, but we should have beat Chelsea and Bournemouth away and West Ham at home, arguably the 3 most annoying results of the season in the league.

Add those 7 points on and we are 9th with a chance of top 6 and a cup semi.

I know if's and buts are pointless but this is how close it is to RM being seen differently by fans. I think most of us would be disappointed being 9th but perhaps would not be calling for his head especially with real money in the offing for a change.

I have been a big critic of him and feel he should go, but if we had just held on in games things would be rosier, but key decisions he has made (subs/Howard) have cost us massively.

If my auntie had balls...

 

[Khalekan]

I honestly can't stand stuff like this. Not only is it an aversion to success born out of a defence mechanism that is so ingrained into people's psyches that they mistakenly believe that being a second or third tier club is what represents Everton's identity, but these people seem to have a bizarre delusion that Everton pay their multi-million pound salaried players with rainbow peanuts or something.

It's a total joke that some Evertonians think that we are the last bastion of virtue when it comes to being a football club. No, we have long since been part of the same capitalist footballing system, in which clubs make use of money to build their clubs. It's absolutely ridiculous the way some people think we are somehow different to other clubs when our wage bill is about 80 million pound a year or something, and when we REGULARLY snatch players off smaller clubs through offering them MONEY!

Selling our soul, what a load of rubbish!

Very true.

Everton were one of the prime movers in the formation of the Premier League.

Then we stood on the platform as the PL/Sky gravy train pulled out the station toward the Promised Land

But that was due to the boardroom incompetence which has crippled our cub this past twenty five years rather than any noble desire to keep pure the soul of the club.

 

[bluewally]

The thing is you could argue we've been close to a decent season. I hate the phrase fine margins, but we should have beat Chelsea and Bournemouth away and West Ham at home, arguably the 3 most annoying results of the season in the league.

Add those 7 points on and we are 9th with a chance of top 6 and a cup semi.

I know if's and buts are pointless but this is how close it is to RM being seen differently by fans. I think most of us would be disappointed being 9th but perhaps would not be calling for his head especially with real money in the offing for a change.

I have been a big critic of him and feel he should go, but if we had just held on in games things would be rosier, but key decisions he has made (subs/Howard) have cost us massively.

The past 2 seasons are full of games we should've won but are incapable of doing so. That's a criticism of Martinez not a defence

9th is still a terrible season and would still not be good enough

 

[DrEFC]

Having lunch, watching Leicester. Depressing. A Moyes team with a top striker would be up there this year. And I don't even want the ginger one back...

 

[wiggum23]

The past 2 seasons are full of games we should've won but are incapable of doing so. That's a criticism of Martinez not a defence

9th is still a terrible season and would still not be good enough

Agree that is why I said it would be disappointing, but rosier than 11th with no chance of top 6.

Also I still said he should go because he is to blame but just a different view point

 

[wiggum23]

Someone's got a blowie and a fry up this morning! God knows how you're so positive! But good on you!

Haha, still want him gone, just trying to do a Bobby and be a bit positive.

 

[wiggum23]

The reasons we didn't win those games are the main problems though.
Poor game management from the players (possibly due to a lack of fitness too), a lack of confidence/belief, and painfully poor substitutions.

Agree and his failure to sort them out in unwillingness to practice defending set pieces. He could have given himself and the team a much better chance if he stopped being so stubborn and reacted to the obvious problem

 

[The Mighty Quint]

"Everyone would understand that he brings something different to what we have at the football club at the moment.

"He's a very complete striker".

 

[quasi modo]

Agree and his failure to sort them out in unwillingness to practice defending set pieces. He could have given himself and the team a much better chance if he stopped being so stubborn and reacted to the obvious problem

We are making the same mistakes as 18 months ago, the same mistakes his Wigan teams made, he will never learn and needs to go.

 

[Khalekan]

Having lunch, watching Leicester. Depressing. A Moyes team with a top striker would be up there this year. And I don't even want the ginger one back...

Except Moyes would have done what he did with every striker he ever had...ruined them.

 

[AndyC]

If they fire him after a defeat on Saturday they should hang their heads in shame.

Sack him now or keep him......no point acting after the damage is done.

It will be Pontious Pilatesque.

But if I leave Wembley next week after watching Everton sleep walk out of the Cup, as I am resigned to already quite frankly,I will be scathing of the board.

On the assumption that nothing is going to be done between now and then visa vie the manager being replaced...

If we get beat next Saturday by a better team on the day, so be it.
If we get beat next Saturday, but at the very least give it a bloody good go, so be it.
If we get beat next Saturday by simply lying down and surrendering, I fear GP for the remains home games will be a very uncomfortable atmosphere.

I'm hoping that despite the injuries and lack of form and confidence, maybe even lack of chemistry within the squad that between now and kick-off at Wembley, sheer professional pride and the desire to a. reverse two league losses to a rank bad Manure team and b. give themselves a superb chance of winning an FA Cup winners medal will kick in and over ride any/all feelings of ill will or discontent.

The likes of Jags, Gaz Baz, and Bainesy as the elder statesmen if the team may never get the chance again to win the cup, I for one want to see them next Saturday put themselves that much closer to achieving it and inspiring the younger players to excel in the face of adversity.

Onward Evertonians !

 

[DrEFC]

Except Moyes would have done what he did with every striker he ever had...ruined them.

Vardy would run them channels... x

 

[Bobs]

Just watching Leicester. They have four things we don't have 1.fitness 2. Workrate 3. They get stuck in 4. They are organised defensively. Sad thing is none of these things cost a penny and should be givens.

Meanwhile Liverpool under 21s are winning away at Bournemouth. Don't they realise they're a young team?

Can't listen to any more of bobby's blather.

 

[Khalekan]

Vardy would run them channels... x

I know.....

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

The thing is you could argue we've been close to a decent season. I hate the phrase fine margins, but we should have beat Chelsea and Bournemouth away and West Ham at home, arguably the 3 most annoying results of the season in the league.

Add those 7 points on and we are 9th with a chance of top 6 and a cup semi.

I know if's and buts are pointless but this is how close it is to RM being seen differently by fans. I think most of us would be disappointed being 9th but perhaps would not be calling for his head especially with real money in the offing for a change.

I have been a big critic of him and feel he should go, but if we had just held on in games things would be rosier, but key decisions he has made (subs/Howard) have cost us massively.

You can talk about fine margins but it works both ways.

What if Palace hadn't been denied a stone wall penalty at Goodison? What if City hadn't been denied a stone wall penalty in the last minute at the Etihad? What if Robles hadn't been on form these last 3 games? That's 5 more losses right there.