Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[kiss the crest]

do you really believe they'd just tell a random fan that mate? and even if they did do you really think they'd tell him the truth.

In short, they wouldn't.

I really hope you are right, because I fear for us if he is here next season

 

[Bluebonic]

Martinez has had fantastic resources thrown at him and turned us into Wigan mk II.

Anybody thinking he could turn it around clearly hasn't see the last few games.

Guys, i know things are fraught at the moment, but if anybody seriously thinks two successful businessmen would spill their business plan to a few bevvied lads on the train then you really do need to take a holiday?

I feel sorry for Martinez, i want him to go, dont get me wrong, but if he is retained, he will eventually leave as a man hated by Evertonians and that would be a shame! Better he went now and be thought of as somebody for whom the job was too big!

 

[Caolam]

Well he's not going to tell the fan his plans to replace him is he. Take it with a pinch of salt mate.

Of course you are right. But things are so bad that we would believe anything at the moment. We need to get a sense of perspective, not even BK could make a case for keeping Martinez.

 

[willo30]

Of course you are right. But things are so bad that we would believe anything at the moment. We need to get a sense of perspective, not even BK could make a case for keeping Martinez.

If we lose next week then my anger will be at their door. They could have ended all this week's ago.

 

[TheFinnFan]

This is an Everton fan. A fan so desperate to be right about Martinez he says this sort of Guff

What a load of rubbish

 

[KUEFC09U2]

do you really believe they'd just tell a random fan that mate? and even if they did do you really think they'd tell him the truth.

In short, they wouldn't.

It's not that which worries me mate it's the fact that they supposedly said that they believe Martinez had just been unlucky....

 

[willo30]

It's not that which worries me mate it's the fact that they supposedly said that they believe Martinez had just been unlucky....

Maybe they mean unlucky to be out of a job soon.

 

[zandvoort blue]

As if Moshiri is gong to tell someone who asks for a pic on a train what is going on behind the scenes, the type of person who he might confide in wont feel the need to pose for a picture.

I heard Mosh had a few ales and was threatening Bill and half the carriage by the time it reached Euston. Probably a more reliable statement than some selfie taking blert on Twitter. No way can anyone with a financial position in efc can look at the past 2 seasons and say we've just been unlucky. The table does not lie. Fan unrest is now a feature of the club, the headlines about player unrest and departures are there every day in the local and international press and TV. The players cba. We're on a run of poor results since Christmas where the only respite has been Chelsea in the Cup. No way can the owners of the club be contemplating giving Martinez a war chest - he is a 2 season failure that should have fired after Christmas.

 

[quasi modo]

Mourinho wouldnt be my first choice but would have him over this crap any day of the week.

 

[wiggum23]

The thing is you could argue we've been close to a decent season. I hate the phrase fine margins, but we should have beat Chelsea and Bournemouth away and West Ham at home, arguably the 3 most annoying results of the season in the league.

Add those 7 points on and we are 9th with a chance of top 6 and a cup semi.

I know if's and buts are pointless but this is how close it is to RM being seen differently by fans. I think most of us would be disappointed being 9th but perhaps would not be calling for his head especially with real money in the offing for a change.

I have been a big critic of him and feel he should go, but if we had just held on in games things would be rosier, but key decisions he has made (subs/Howard) have cost us massively.

 

[efcfanwirral]

The thing is you could argue we've been close to a decent season. I hate the phrase fine margins, but we should have beat Chelsea and Bournemouth away and West Ham at home, arguably the 3 most annoying results of the season in the league.

Add those 7 points on and we are 9th with a chance of top 6 and a cup semi.

I know if's and buts are pointless but this is how close it is to RM being seen differently by fans. I think most of us would be disappointed being 9th but perhaps would not be calling for his head especially with real money in the offing for a change.

I have been a big critic of him and feel he should go, but if we had just held on in games things would be rosier, but key decisions he has made (subs/Howard) have cost us massively.

The fine margins are the fact that he refuses to, not can't but won't, put any thought into defence. Because of his 'philosophy'. The only way we'll be successful with him is if he gets lucky as there won't be any design behind the goals conceded statistics in any game he takes charge of

 

[GwladysBlue]

I honestly can't stand stuff like this. Not only is it an aversion to success born out of a defence mechanism that is so ingrained into people's psyches that they mistakenly believe that being a second or third tier club is what represents Everton's identity, but these people seem to have a bizarre delusion that Everton pay their multi-million pound salaried players with rainbow peanuts or something.

It's a total joke that some Evertonians think that we are the last bastion of virtue when it comes to being a football club. No, we have long since been part of the same capitalist footballing system, in which clubs make use of money to build their clubs. It's absolutely ridiculous the way some people think we are somehow different to other clubs when our wage bill is about 80 million pound a year or something, and when we REGULARLY snatch players off smaller clubs through offering them MONEY!

Selling our soul, what a load of rubbish!

I think that some people forget that it was Everton who created the monster that is the Premier League.

Everton and the rest of the 'Big Five' had no problems kicking that ladder from under the rest of the League's clubs, the difference being that we had owners who never capitalised despite prior knowledge of the type of money that was about to come in.

 

[AndyC]

Big Sam inspired passion?

And he's got Sunderland cresting chances galore.

 

[DrEFC]

The thing is you could argue we've been close to a decent season. I hate the phrase fine margins, but we should have beat Chelsea and Bournemouth away and West Ham at home, arguably the 3 most annoying results of the season in the league.

Add those 7 points on and we are 9th with a chance of top 6 and a cup semi.

I know if's and buts are pointless but this is how close it is to RM being seen differently by fans. I think most of us would be disappointed being 9th but perhaps would not be calling for his head especially with real money in the offing for a change.

I have been a big critic of him and feel he should go, but if we had just held on in games things would be rosier, but key decisions he has made (subs/Howard) have cost us massively.

Someone's got a blowie and a fry up this morning! God knows how you're so positive! But good on you!

 

[MACCA75]

The thing is you could argue we've been close to a decent season. I hate the phrase fine margins, but we should have beat Chelsea and Bournemouth away and West Ham at home, arguably the 3 most annoying results of the season in the league.

Add those 7 points on and we are 9th with a chance of top 6 and a cup semi.

I know if's and buts are pointless but this is how close it is to RM being seen differently by fans. I think most of us would be disappointed being 9th but perhaps would not be calling for his head especially with real money in the offing for a change.

I have been a big critic of him and feel he should go, but if we had just held on in games things would be rosier, but key decisions he has made (subs/Howard) have cost us massively.

The reasons we didn't win those games are the main problems though.
Poor game management from the players (possibly due to a lack of fitness too), a lack of confidence/belief, and painfully poor substitutions.